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Heres the reason 343 really does things: For Gameplay. 343 will not hesistate to do something which makes little sense canonically and then make up a BS excuse for it (as Bungie did with AA's in Reach). Not that this is a bad thing mind you, as long as the gameplay change is appropriate. Having the DMR, BR is possible now that we have loadouts so its okay for weapons to be a little bit redundant.

What mode and map were you playing?

The only time I ever had a thread "deleted" was when they moved it to a different section of the forum when they were updating the forum. Keep an eye on that

As long as there is a choice this means nothing but good for vehicle combat.

@ Twinreaper "I know my stuff, please don't try to argue it" All I'm gonna say is the texture quality in the BOII trailer actively looked worse than previous iterations of CoD. Thats it. This might be a design decision to move more resources to other stuff. Of course, I big part of Halo is that it has always had more interestng, vibrant character models and designs, which is hardly surprising when you have Sci Fi versus a present or near-present setting.

What do you want to do with your "cause" Twin? Do you merely want people who already agree with you to further reform their behavior? What is your objective? How are you going to apply yourself to accomplishing these goals? At first I was responding to what I thought a well intentioned but needless thread about civlity and unity. With your second post, you seemed to suggest that you had a particular problem with one group, MLG users. And, after rereading your earlier post, I noticed that you suggested that intolerance will not be tolerated. What are you going to do? Try to shut down the threads of MLG users who are being "intolerant" of casual players? Frankly, thats just kinda creepy. I don't want to throw labels like fascistic or dictatorial around but honestly, I think those terms apply pretty well whenever anyone starts talking about not tolerating intolerance. Intolerance is precisely the thing that needs to be tolerated. Theres no point restricting freedom of speech if your only going to apply it to people who are agreeable to you! But more to the point, I just really want to know, how are you going to reform and unite the Halo community? I ain't going to say anything more in response to you until I have a clearer idea of what you actually want to do. I bet you don't want to implement some conspiratorial dictatorship. I don't think you have "fascistic" tendencies or that you want to exclude MLG users and other groups who actively disagree with you. That would just be silly. And I will bet good money that when you read my bit about Freedom of Speech you immeadiately though "Well I wasnt suggesting that we should restricts anyones freedom of speech!" But I do think you have your priorities in the wrong place. And I just want to help you realize that saying you want to make everything civil and unite the community and get rid of intolerance is good, but actually doing that might cost allot more than its worth. I'm saying that, even when it comes to things like internet speech, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.That is all I am trying to say here. And in response to you and TrueGostlyOtto, nowhere did I suggest that all young people and teenagers are immature. And I would never suggest that we should kick people out and reject them based on age. But the simple truth is, and we all know it, that allot of young people can act prett dumb and make mistakes before they learn better. Thats all I meant by that. Is there something wrong with suggesting that we are going to need to tolerate a certain amount of immaturity from younger users who are not immature? I was saying this in the context of "tolerating" a certain amount of idiocy, not restricting it. I was holding up misbehaving young community members as an example of a group which needs to be tolerated, to a certain extent. I was defending younger users, even the stupid ones! So please don't suggest that I was generalizing all younger people as behaving such and such or that I was saying we should somehow exclude them. My point was precisely the opposite...that we must tolerate them even when they are being annoying (within reason of course). Also, with response to your thing about me supporting Obama, Im gonna make sure this doesnt turn into an argument about politics, so Imma shut the f' up about that right now. PS. Truthfully, I find this a very intriguing argument. So, in accordance with the values which you yourself have laid out, lets keep it civil. And honestly, your criticisms of people's behavior is perfectly valid. I just worry about what you actually want to do to reform it. And if you actively don't have any sort of plan of action here, then my criticism of your post is simply beacuse I think its more of the silly, redundant, and vague calls to "civility" and "politeness" that we hear so much from people everywhere.

Great idea...would be hard for 343 to implement though...take allot of resources. I suspect thats the real reason they ditched Elites in Multiplayer as well.

And I thought I was late with three weeks! Welcome good sir.

No, I don't care to facilitate a change. I'm going to mind my own business. And here's why: In your first post you made a call to unity and to end pettiness and yet in your second post your blaming one group as being a high contributor to the problem. Do you see the contradiction here? My point isnt that your wrong about that group. I ain't saying they ain't ********. I kinda agree with you on that. My point is, whenever people talk about "oh lets unite and stop bickering" its really beacuse they want one particular group to stfu and agree with them. Its like when Democrats or Republicans get up on a stage and say "Oh we need to unite, we need to make progress, we need to be Bipartisan BUT ITS THOSE PEOPLES FAULT WE ARENT!". These guys don't really care about uniting or increased civility...all they care about is shaming the people who oppose their opinions into shutting up and toeing their line. From what I just read, what you really seem to want is "unity" and "civility" so you can get that MLG group which you have problems with to shut up when really what we need is more debate so we can settle these arguments the old fashioned way. More civility would be nice, but theres no need to be internet nazi's to stamp out incivility. Besides, The MLG types are going to lose, Halo is already lost to them, and soon they will abandon the cause. You don't need to rally the community to stamp out their opinions beacuse their opinions are going to be defunct...very shortly now. So no, I don't feel the need to cause change beacuse change is going to happen regardless. The people who post here, who agree with you? They already agreed with you! You telling them what they already know and wanted to hear is not going to change a damn thing. Also, with regards to new users who are "selfish" and what not, please remember that theres going to be allot of little kids and teenagers coming into this. Its inevitable. I was an @sshole when I first started posting in video game forums. So your going to have to tolerate a certain amount of annoying behavior. You don't have to accept it. You certainly shouldnt like it. But you can live with it, hell you have been this entire time as is. Lastly, if you think the problem of general ****iness on the internet is getting worse, than your problem isnt just with the internet community, its with Western culture in general. Your problem is with the giant cultural trends which effect every part of our lives not just the goings ons in our little corner of cyberspace. So take it up with that. Start thinking, discussing and arguing about religion and idealogy and morality with people around you in your daily lives beacuse thats really where your problem is. If you don't want to do that...if you don't want to do that, just mind your own business. Other than that, don't worry about what happens on the internet so much, beacuse theres not much you can do to stop it short of reforming and reversing the cultural trends of today. The world needs way less activists and way more people who are just willing to live their own lives well. Beacuse really, the only way things really change is when people change, as individuals, from the inside. This isn't to say that I have an attitude of callous indifference towards many of the things which typically result in a mobilization of allot of people towards a common cause...I'm not going to callously look down my nose at the Red Cross, aid relief, Military service, charity, etc etc. But when it comes to speech? To what people say? Individuality is the rule when it comes to that. PS. You also talked about how people in other communities laughed at us. LOL! This is the internet. If they actually are that invested, that stupid, to do that, who gives a flying f*ck what they think? For the love of god, I like how we have a sense of community, but lets stop thinking about ourselves as a collective mass that needs to defend against other groups and restructure ourselves, and think more in terms of "we are individuals who need to mind our own business". PSS. I am not a Ron Paul supporter

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Building 5 additional MBT's and 4 more F-18's.

I hope they bring back the silenced SMG from ODST.

If CoD really wanted to copy Halo, it would set itself 500 years in the future and have humans using projectile weapons which would not be out of place in World War 2. Just saying...

I don't remember the sword being OP in Halo 3...then again, I wasn't involved in the community so I wouldn't know if others thought so. It just seems like sword blocking was invented to solve a problem which only Bungie thought was a problem...

Halo Reach did not change "everything". If anything, Reach's problem was that it tried to keep classic Halo gameplay intact while changing a little bit...so you end up with a balless half assed change that is enough to annoy veterans and not enough to satisfy noobs. The point isnt to say that a full on change will inevitably be good...only to say that Reach's vulnerability wasn't that they changed too much but that they changed too little and that if you are going to progress a series beyond tired reiterations (like in CoD) you are going to end up sacrificing old gameplay for new. You cannot have your cake and eat it too, which is what Bungie tried to do with Reach.

1) Particle effects and "Physics" are far from being all that goes into "graphics". In fact, they are hardly the primary thing. 2) I really am wondering what you mean by CoD having superior "physics" considering it does not have any where near the number of moving non-character objects that Halo or BF have. 3) Compare the textures in the latest Black Ops II trailer with released Halo 4 gameplay. We can't judge the final product BOII based on this, needless to say, but you cannot see that the textures look a bit dated? 4) CoD unquestionably has had superior character models. Halo 4 seems to have caught up with them in that respect, though CoD has excellent facial rendering and character movement, so we have yet to see examples of those things in Halo (no video of non spartan characters with actual visible faces IE Cortana, and no examples of special animations other than standard movement). And I'm saying this as a big fan of Black Ops. I will definitely buy the sequel. And CoD has had superior graphics to its competitors for some time now. But the texture's...the complexity of the surfaces, probably the most easy part of graphics to analyze, seem to be falling behind in Black Ops II, based on what we saw in the trailer.

If anyone who doesnt want FPS driving has not played BF3, I suggest you do so. If you have played BF and you still don't want FPS driving, then we can have that argument. FPS driving is not "more" effective than 3rd person. But it is allot funner and more immersive. And thats what counts. There should be a choice as in Battlefield, but FPS driving should definitely be in.

I felt like in Reach it was a stupid feature but it was balanced out by the fact that you could sprint with it and just murder fools...In Reach, if anything, in the right circumstances, I could kill even more people than in H3. That said, I hope they remove or at least severely restrict Sword blocking.

Aint gonna say whats a better name or not...just gonna say, in terms of marketing ,its kinda essential that it be Halo 4. Its the fourth Halo in the proper series. Bungie specifically did not make Reach "Halo 4". They did not envision it as the game changing direct successor to Halo 3. Halo 4 is that successor. Also, 343 wants to evoke feelings of association with the Main trilogy and the Mr.Chief. A customer who's buying Halo 4 immediately knows "Hey, this is the fourth Halo game!". A customer buying "Halo: Requim" might be discouraged by the fact that he has to ask himself who/what is Requim? With Reach the problem is unavoidable beacuse you cannot apply a title like Halo -1 to a prequel, so they are forced to name it something like Halo Reach.

I wasnt a huge dual wielding person but I can understand the pain...I certainly preferred Dual wielding to be in. Howevor, it is a good point that others have raised here...having Dual wielding complicates the weapon set. You end up with redundant weapons that are difficult to implement in the game. For example, do players start with dual wielding weapons? Do they function as they did in Halo 3 where you cannot throw a grenade without tossing one of them? What happens when you try to swap out for a different weapon? Ask any player who loves Dual wielding and you'll know that there is something appealing. I'm not a huge dual wielding person but even I know tha its nice and badass to wield two weapons at once. Plus, simple truth is, in CQC, with Dual Wields, you will win if your dual wields are at optimal range versus. say a AR at optimal range. They are pretty decent in the right format.

Well played sir...

Ohhhhhh Mr. Fancy Pants reached Prophet? Well hello Mr. Big in the Britches himself...what, you want a medal? A cookie? Life time passes to Disneyland? Hey everyone...lets get a round of applause for Mr.Awesome over here! *Applause* But I jest... congrats sir. Someday I will reach that noble level. Until then, I resent you and everyone else who has reached aforementioned level.

I'm going to be a bit of a contrarian and say: 1) That to the extent that any real or percieved idiocy and bitchiness and all around stupid shenanigans are resulting from problems with regards to the direction Halo is taking, espiecally now that 343 is in control, I'll say that no amount of high minded "lets all come togethor and sing kumbaya" is going to solve that. Whats going to end it, one way or another, is when Halo 4 and subsequent titles actually come out and one way or another, these divisive issues will settle simply beacuse one side will have won out over another and there will be nothing more to fight about. Put simply, issues and schisms and declines in the quality of the community that are a result of the game itself are only going to be resolved by the game itself. Its also worth pointing out that our collective opinions matter and that we should neither complain about everything 343 does or blindly have faith that they will produce an awesome game. Halo 4 is best served by us having these arguments and to the extent that the community is "divided" and "bickering" over these issues...well thats just unfortunate but neccasary collateral damage. 2) No doubt theres allot of stupid **** to be had that has nothing to do with Halo coming from newer members. On the same hand, Wouldn't be surprised, frankly, if old community members resent new Community members. Bottom line is, ****ty internet behavior is here to stay and I say we just do our best to ignore it, have a bit of fun and remind oursleves that none of this is really that important. 3) Its all well and good that we have a thread about "reforming" our behavior...but as nearly as I can tell this will be about as effective as few American's coming togethor and talking about "Ending Obesity!". Real change that involves a whole community of individuals comes organically...not at the flick of a switch resulting from a few members coming togethor and saying "yeah...thats right! We should do that!" 4 and Lastly...its my thesis that the thing which gives the Halo community its vitality is *surprise* Halo. In my mind, Halo 3 was the high point...some people will certainly and reasonobly think Halo 2 and even Halo CE were Halos finest hours respectively. But my point is, I think theres a relationship between how bad (relatively speaking, all the Halo games have been great just some less than others) the current iteration of Halo is and the strength and fun of the community is. So I say, the thing which will truly "reform" this community is if Halo 4 kicks ass. As you may have noticed, I don't think thats inevitable. Even if Halo 4 is "great" it could easily fail to be as good as we need it to be. I think Reach was good...but in a deeper sense it was a failure. It did not deliver. And I think the community reflects that. And the sad truth might be that Halo might be in its Twilight, that we are polishing the brass on the Titanic...etc. etc. *post another cliche reference about people getting along while things are in decline*. And if thats the case, then the community will decline and fade slowly, as is the way of all things (profound!). BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT point is...don't worry about it (At least not too much). Theres plenty of laughs and interesting arguments and stupid but amusing things to be said in the meantime, even if we are headed to hell in a handbasket. Rather Halo 4 fails to revive the community or is Halos new Sunrise, we shouldnt worry about it cuz its not in our hands. Its in 343's and God's hands. And I think since the community is a direct reflection of how strong the franchise is, my point is, just dont think about it. Focus on ironing out Halo 4's issues as best we can as members of the community and play our small role in making the final product better beacuse ultimately, thats the best thing we can do for "improving" the community. So pretty much...long story short...from what I've seen in my two months or so here thus far...we got a real nice community going here. Even if the whole community is sinking, well I'm pretty sure we are on the highest point of the ship. So dont worry too much about the "decline" of the community. PS. The two problem groups are idiots and over zealous perfectionist idiots as Doc highlighted. Idiots arent going away, but I bet overly competive uber-MLG types will figure out that Halo does not belong to them and that 343 doesnt really care what they think...in about 6 Months from now.

That is correct good sir. But not me. I'm a straight up ****.