Why People are Hating on 343

[Cryphakon]

Almost every FPS is turning into a cash cow, late last year we saw DICE previously a very PC-orientated and very anti-COD style company join the ranks of betraying its fanbase. BF3 was a huge dissapointment, the limited owners were offered free "map packs" while every DLC since has been a shortcut to unlock weapons or an "expansion pack"

[Darkrain491]

343 are making the game by building on the 'glowing embers' of Halo Reach, Bungie's Money Maker that was made to get as much money before they lost the series. 343 are picking the aspects that worked, keeping them and looking at the failed parts and recreating them in a way that works. While I do not subscribe to the weapon and armour skins idea, I do realise they are just trying to keep up with the market. They are looking at the old AAs and editing them to be far more balanced and adding in a natuaral sprint makes sense really, Your'e playing as a bloody super soldiers. They should be able to run in that armour. The game is not mimicking CoD anymore than Battlefield or MoH does, It is just progressing, It should be thought of as 'Combat Evolving'.

[DarknessX03]

343 are making the game by building on the 'glowing embers' of Halo Reach, Bungie's Money Maker that was made to get as much money before they lost the series. 343 are picking the aspects that worked, keeping them and looking at the failed parts and recreating them in a way that works. While I do not subscribe to the weapon and armour skins idea, I do realise they are just trying to keep up with the market. They are looking at the old AAs and editing them to be far more balanced and adding in a natuaral sprint makes sense really, Your'e playing as a bloody super soldiers. They should be able to run in that armour. The game is not mimicking CoD anymore than Battlefield or MoH does, It is just progressing, It should be thought of as 'Combat Evloving'.

 

I see what you did there

But I agree, a lot of what they're doing makes sense.

[Darkrain491]

it just makes sense to wait and see now. its almost out and then well know, and if there are a few footfalls then it has to be forgiven, it's there first original halo game as a team not aiding bungie.

[Cryphakon]

The game is not mimicking CoD anymore than Battlefield or MoH does, It is just progressing, It should be thought of as 'Combat Evolving'.

 

An Battlefield veterans have hated the way DICE has gone with BF3.

[killerdude1635]

Evolution is adding entirely new features in, after that it's mimicry.

Halo itself is a mimicry of previous FPS, let's not make the differences between them any blurrier..

[DarknessX03]

Evolution is adding entirely new features in, after that it's mimicry.

Halo itself is a mimicry of previous FPS, let's not make the differences between them any blurrier..

 

Basically. No video game (except the very first of their kinds) is original. Hell, pong was the first one and even then it was basically just ping-pong on a screen.

[killerdude1635]

 

 

Basically. No video game (except the very first of their kinds) is original. Hell, pong was the first one and even then it was basically just ping-pong on a screen.

Exactly, although pong isnt an fps....

But anyways, my point is, Halo is Halo and COD is COD, we DO NOT need a hybrid.

[Darkrain491]

An Battlefield veterans have hated the way DICE has gone with BF3.

I know that but they are just trying to attract a new fanbase, but not enough people seem to realise this.

[killerdude1635]

I know that but they are just trying to attract a new fanbase, but not enough people seem to realise this.

There are other, better ways to go about doing this, becoming COD is not a good way to go..

Next thing you know, activision and treyarchs logo are stamped on the cover..

[Wyzilla]

I know that but they are just trying to attract a new fanbase, but not enough people seem to realise this.

I don't give a damn if they want to attract a larger fanbase, but I do mind if they go about it by shooting themselves in the foot and eating said foot. They've alienated fans like me and I damn well don't want this to happen with Halo 4. I already hate EA and Activision, and I don't need to start hating Microsoft for commissioning another Halo. I loved the Bad Company series. I love Battlefield 1943. I went and bought BF2 and I loved that until the disc got scratched. But BF3 is whole different game that simply sucks. Unbalanced as hell and simply ridiculous. The SMG's act like they're packing high caliber bullets and can outshoot an LMG at medium range. Then there's the whole hell with premium. Hopefully 343i doesn't dare try any s*** like that.

[killerdude1635]

So far as it seems, 343 has done a crapjob balancing the weapons, ive seen better balancing jobs out of modders in SWBF2...

They have the ability to balance the weapons without making them functionally identical, but they didn't and all weapons just seem to be the same thing with a different texture..

[Darkrain491]

There are other, better ways to go about doing this, becoming COD is not a good way to go..

Next thing you know, activision and treyarchs logo are stamped on the cover..

That's a bit extremist. DICE going console is hardly a CoD mimick. thats like saying borderlands 2 is a FPS RPG version of cod or Halo is CoD without ADS Every shooter share base princables or contents, e.g. most have all types of weapons (Assualt Rifles, SMGs, LMGs, Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, Luanchers, Grenades, Melee Weapons (or melee in general), Side Arms (Pistols, Revolvers, Auto-Pistols) and often one or more quirky weapons or alien weapons if the genre fits. all games derive from Wolfinstein then Doom. without these games we may not have the good gameplay FPS games we have today all FPS games have followed the path and then evolved: Halo, Cod, MoH, Unreal Tournement, Borderlands, Battlefield, Rainbow Six. All of them have derived from one origin, they travel on parallel roads, all built on different grounds with different materials, but some recommending some materials to the other companies. It may be a competive buisness, but you have no idea how many studios help other companies without actually designing aspects of the game. It may be competetive, but it is frienly rivalry, despite what fans are willing to believe.

 

So far as it seems, 343 has done a crapjob balancing the weapons, ive seen better balancing jobs out of modders in SWBF2...

They have the ability to balance the weapons without making them functionally identical, but they didn't and all weapons just seem to be the same thing with a different texture..

They equivelences between weapons have been well difined, so why complain about it? e.g Sniper Rifle has slower fire rate than the beam rifle, 4 mag, same dam propities, but it does'nt overheat, the binary rifle is onehit, two mag but slower rate of fire, how is that not varity or balanced?

 

I don't give a damn if they want to attract a larger fanbase, but I do mind if they go about it by shooting themselves in the foot and eating said foot. They've alienated fans like me and I damn well don't want this to happen with Halo 4. I already hate EA and Activision, and I don't need to start hating Microsoft for commissioning another Halo. I loved the Bad Company series. I love Battlefield 1943. I went and bought BF2 and I loved that until the disc got scratched. But BF3 is whole different game that simply sucks. Unbalanced as hell and simply ridiculous. The SMG's act like they're packing high caliber bullets and can outshoot an LMG at medium range. Then there's the whole hell with premium. Hopefully 343i doesn't dare try any s*** like that.

Halo has different weapon styles, same types of weapons, but they work uniquely to Halo and are quite recognisable. adding new weapons like the bolt pistol or LMG style weapon is just adding new, intresting tactics to the game, rather than the entire gameplay, besides, with Frank O'Conner (Who was'nt pleased with reach himself) there he should stop the game falling from the path.

[Kodman Eats]

I'm want to see what 343 can do because people who hate 343 well look at Bungie they gave up on Halo and I think everyone needs to accept change.

[killerdude1635]

That's a bit extremist. DICE going console is hardly a CoD mimick. thats like saying borderlands 2 is a FPS RPG version of cod or Halo is CoD without ADS Every shooter share base princables or contents, e.g. most have all types of weapons (Assualt Rifles, SMGs, LMGs, Sniper Rifles, Shotguns, Luanchers, Grenades, Melee Weapons (or melee in general), Side Arms (Pistols, Revolvers, Auto-Pistols) and often one or more quirky weapons or alien weapons if the genre fits. all games derive from Wolfinstein then Doom. without these games we may not have the good gameplay FPS games we have today all FPS games have followed the path and then evolved: Halo, Cod, MoH, Unreal Tournement, Borderlands, Battlefield, Rainbow Six. All of them have derived from one origin, they travel on parallel roads, all built on different grounds with different materials, but some recommending some materials to the other companies. It may be a competive buisness, but you have no idea how many studios help other companies without actually designing aspects of the game. It may be competetive, but it is frienly rivalry, despite what fans are willing to believe.

 

They equivelences between weapons have been well difined, so why complain about it? e.g Sniper Rifle has slower fire rate than the beam rifle, 4 mag, same dam propities, but it does'nt overheat, the binary rifle is onehit, two mag but slower rate of fire, how is that not varity or balanced?

 

Halo has different weapon styles, same types of weapons, but they work uniquely to Halo and are quite recognisable. adding new weapons like the bolt pistol or LMG style weapon is just adding new, intresting tactics to the game, rather than the entire gameplay, besides, with Frank O'Conner (Who was'nt pleased with reach himself) there he should stop the game falling from the path.

I'm talking about the standard weapons, not the power weapons, all the normal weapons are functionally identical..

 

As for the Activision thing, they hired employees from both companies, naturally they'd want their logo on the game. Extremist? No. Because its already starting to happen.

 

PS: Battlefield came out before COD..

[Darkrain491]

I'm talking about the standard weapons, not the power weapons, all the normal weapons are functionally identical..

 

As for the Activision thing, they hired employees from both companies, naturally they'd want their logo on the game. Extremist? No. Because its already starting to happen.

 

PS: Battlefield came out before COD..

I know Battlefield came out before CoD.

 

Even the basic headshot weapons have variety. BR has a 2.0x scope where as the has a DMR 3.0x scope, but their DAM is differant and the Covenant Carbine also has a 2.0x scope, and less DAM than either of the above, but has a faster fire rate. The the Light Rifle fires in three-round bursts of hard light when fired from the hip but fires a single, focused hard light round when the scope is toggled.These precision rounds are more powerful, but use 3 times as much ammunition and it has a 2.0x Scope. Variety and balancing. If that isn't the case for you then check both words up in the dictionary.

[The Director]

Even the basic headshot weapons have variety. BR has a 2.0x scope where as the has a DMR 3.0x scope, but their DAM is differant and the Covenant Carbine also has a 2.0x scope, and less DAM than either of the above, but has a faster fire rate. The the Light Rifle fires in three-round bursts of hard light when fired from the hip but fires a single, focused hard light round when the scope is toggled.These precision rounds are more powerful, but use 3 times as much ammunition and it has a 2.0x Scope. Variety and balancing. If that isn't the case for you then check both words up in the dictionary.

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He's right you know. We had a rather long discussion about this in the shoutbox a while back. While the primary weapons all "match up" so to speak, they each have different traits. This means that they compliment a players play-style without overpowering one another.

[killerdude1635]

 

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He's right you know. We had a rather long discussion about this in the shoutbox a while back. While the primary weapons all "match up" so to speak, they each have different traits. This means that they compliment a players play-style without overpowering one another.

I know, I know, I'm just trying to say is, if you look at them in their basic form, they're pretty much the same, know what I mean? I understand we need balance, but when all the weapons feel the same, well then.. Yeah..

[The Director]

I know, I know, I'm just trying to say is, if you look at them in their basic form, they're pretty much the same, know what I mean? I understand we need balance, but when all the weapons feel the same, well then.. Yeah..

Ah, but that's the thing though. They don't feel the same, nor even work the same. While they are balanced, they are very different. One is a three shot burst, one is semi-auto, and the other is rapid fire semi-auto. The only two primaries that look like they work in the same way are the Light Rifle and the DMR. The Storm Rifle and the AR also work a bit different. Honestly, it's rather surprising that they were able to balance the weapons as well as they have without making them all the exact same as each other.

 

What this means is that even though the weapons are balanced, you will have a favorite. You will prefer one over the other, and not just because of aesthetics but because they play differently, and you will be better with one than the other. Some will be better with the DMR than they are with the BR, others will be better with the Carbine or light rifle.

[ZΞRΘ]

343 is doing a magnificent job and I really have faith in what they are doing with the series, sure there is big change ahead; but change can be good and a breath of fresh air is just what the Halo series needed. I look forward to Halo 4 with high expectations.

[Darkrain491]

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He's right you know. We had a rather long discussion about this in the shoutbox a while back. While the primary weapons all "match up" so to speak, they each have different traits. This means that they compliment a players play-style without overpowering one another.

Thank you for your confirmation, i wasn't sure if i was a bit mixed up. but to be honest im overwhelmed a moderator said i correct

[Twisted Oracle]

I think 343 has done a fantastic job, just as good or better than Bungie would do.

[Darkrain491]

I think 343 has done a fantastic job, just as good or better than Bungie would do.

It well definatly be a big success, and its currently the most pre-ordered game, over BO 2 (LOL poor abbreiviating)

[Chase-S201]

Nicely typed Director. You speak the truth with this.

[skummgummigubbe]

Nay gentlemen. Ye all be wrong.

 

There are multiple types of fans for Halo. There are those who are fans of the interesting little glitches that it brings to the table, there are those who are fans of the multiplayer, there are those who are fans of the campaign and single player modes, and then there are fans of the canon. A "true fan" is all of the above. A "true fan" is someone who knows that Master Chief is a brunette, and that the Magnum was the only "precision weapon" other than the sniper rifle in Halo CE, that warthog races usually mean that the campaign is ending, and that you have to jump crouch to get outside Halo 2's second mission's map.

 

A "true fan" doesn't have to have started with any particular Halo, just as long as they've gone out of their way to either play or know what happened in all of the games. A "true fan" is allowed to like one thing more than another about Halo (i.e. Canon over campaign, multiplayer over firefight), but a "true fan" already tried everything before making up their minds about it.

 

A "true fan" is someone who is willing to compromise when there are changes they don't like. A "true fan" would say, "Well, I hate armor lock, so I'll play a game mode that doesn't have it." or "Well, I don't like the ranking system, so I'll play a gametype that I know requires skill. It's a shame I can't boast about my truskill, but I'll still have fun pwning people in 1v1's."

 

People often confuse true fans with fanboys, but they are not the same. Fanboys are convinced that their game is the best, and feel the irrepressible urge to shove their theology down everyone's throat. A true fan is willing to have a healthy debate, but drops the topic when flaming comes into play.

 

If you are the type who doesn't like a gametype or game mechanic and decides to stand on a soapbox and shout that Halo is turning into a different game, and say things like, "343i sucks!", then you are not a true Halo fan. If you would rather watch the series die than change, then you are not a true Halo fan. If you would denounce a fellow member of the Halo community for liking a part of Halo that you do not, then you are not a true Halo fan.

 

There is a reason people of the Halo community mock those who constantly complain about things like Armor Lock, Equipment, or Boardable Vehicles. The reason is because those that do shouldn't be playing a game that they so obviously do not like.

 

Now that you've been educated on what a "true fan" is, let's talk about what "makes Halo Halo." You could say that for each individual person, what makes a Halo game is different. You could say that, but you would be wrong. If you look at all of the Halo games that have ever been made, every single one, there is only one thing that they all have in common. Change. From the massive changes from Halo CE to Halo 2, to the minor (but still pretty big game changers) changes from Halo 2 to Halo 3.

 

Some might say that the BR is what makes Halo Halo. And they would be wrong. The BR was not usable by the player in Halo CE, Halo Reach, nor Halo Wars. That's half of the Halo games that are out so far.

 

Others might say that it's the vehicles. They would still be wrong, but they'd be less wrong. In each and every Halo game vehicles have been tweaked. In Halo CE, you could kill someone and take their vehicle, with no damage to the vehicle at all. In Halo 2, the vehicles blew up, but they were also able to be locked onto by the rocket launcher. In Halo 3, the vehicles became crucial in a BTB game, while in Reach the vehicles became underpowered. In Halo Wars, they are essential, in ODST, they are hardly used.

 

Even more might say that accuracy is what makes Halo Halo, but they too would be incorrect. In Halo CE, the only two weapons that fired in what could even remotely be considered precisely were the Magnum and the Sniper Rifle. True precision weapons didn't come around until H2.

 

So you see, the only things that have remained even close to the same over the years are the learning curve, and change. And even the learning curve has changed from each game. Which means the only constant is change. Change and people complaining about change, that is.

 

tl;dr True fans will never hate Halo and the only thing that makes Halo Halo is change. The Director has spoken.

 

well i can consider myself as a true halo fan according to you awesome text i agree change is a big keystone in halo

 

so i did not like armorlock so i played another game types

 

i dont say halo is the best and i cant play any other FPS games but i consider that halo is the most fairest to players because it is the most balanced of them all