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#1 UNSC Spartan-II

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 05:39 PM

Hey forum,

 

Ever since E3 2013, we've been hearing rumours about how Chief has gone AWOL, and we now know that those rumours are true. Master Chief Petty Officer John-117 is a Spartan-II. Spartan-IIs have nothing below the best training the UNSC have to offer. They are professional soldiers, trained in many aspects. One of those aspects is loyalty. A Spartan-II would not betray the UNSC for whatever reason. After being indoctrinated, contained, and trained, they are under the influence of the UNSC and would follow every order until death. No Spartan-II would betray the UNSC for their own personal reason(s).

 

Now we have the well know Master Chief, becoming a so-called 'traitor'. This is something that seriously bothers me because it is almost wrong. Out of all Spartans, Chief ends up leaving for his own emotions. No matter how long he fought with Cortana, he would have still let her go. He wouldn't abandon the UNSC for her. He has had longer lasting relationships with his fellow Spartan-IIs, and he would accept their death and carry on. Now maybe he's doing this because he can actually bring Cortana back unlike other dead soldiers, but this is not a legit reason. He would never go off course just because he gained an emotional attachment to Cortana. He is more professional than that, and his duty would always come first.

 

To me it seems as if 343 have just broken Halo's lore, and have ruined the whole universe (Halo universe) all together by doing this. Am I thinking a little too extremely? No, because the Spartan-IIs' behaviour plays a vital role in the Halo universe. It's as if everything we've ever known about Spartan-IIs (Chief in this case) has been a lie. All this knowledge from books, games, comics, and so on has been burned to ashes. I believe 343 can do a good job with the gameplay, but affecting Halo's lore is something else. I personally take this far more seriously than the gameplay, because it's what makes Halo. If it were Bungie, they may never have made Chief go AWOL. Chief is far too professional to do such a thing, it just wouldn't happen. I just hope that it won't get any worse than this. There is still some time left and lots we don't know, so hopefully we'll get a better reason overall.

 

What do you all think about this? Thanks for reading.

 

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 05:44 PM

Number one: This is all made up and doesn't exist
Number two: You're taking this WAY too seriously
Number three: Who said its Chief who's the traitor? It could be someone else.

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Posted 20 March 2015 - 06:13 PM

I'd say something, but let's wait and see what the reason is for him doing whatever before we start saying things.


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Posted 21 March 2015 - 01:38 PM

Number one: This is all made up and doesn't exist
Number two: You're taking this WAY too seriously
Number three: Who said its Chief who's the traitor? It could be someone else.

 

1. What is it that doesn't exist?

2. What make you think I'm taking this 'WAY too seriously'?

3. I'm speaking of what has been speculated so far.


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Posted 21 March 2015 - 09:01 PM

...2. What make you think I'm taking this 'WAY too seriously'?...

 
Imo he misunderstood the tone you were going for.
 
Anyway...

 

UNSC SPARTAN II  said:

... [He] has had longer lasting relationships with his fellow Spartan-IIs, and he would accept their death and carry on. Now maybe he's doing this because he can actually bring Cortana back unlike other dead soldiers, but this is not a legit reason. He would never go off course just because he gained an emotional attachment to Cortana. He is more professional than that, and his duty would always come first...

 

Personally, I believe there's more to the plot than John, per se, running off with Blue Team to save Cortana, as one theory. Anybody can think up a better plot, if this is indeed the main idea. However I suspect John is in this mourning because John has witnessed A LOT of death, and while most of them were soldiers and innocent civilians, even Spartans in the Battle of Reach. Throughout the franchise, Cortana remarks, "Don't make a girl a promise... if you know you can't  keep it." There are times when she seemed more human than AI. And in Halo 3, when John gets "messages", "telepathy", whatever you want to call it, throughout the events of Halo 3, he's constantly seeing his assigned partner in constant torture, or "rampancy" as one might put it. Barely making it out of Reach as the entire planet was being glassed while aboard the Pillar of Autumn with LINDA-058, the sight of the proto-gravemind clawing at Keyes' memories, and getting the implant out of his head. Leaving Cortana behind on High Charity with the Gravemind. The death Sgt. Avery J. Johnson, a character who grew on us during his time. Long story short... John has seen more tragedy than anyone should have, despite the fact he knew this was going to happen and was trained in the harshest of conditions, The events leading up to Halo 5 have seen constant bloodshed. When tragedy strikes a supersoldier so much it messes with him, it can make him do what he never should've. I think these next events will be the first time where John truly feels human.

 

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 05:53 AM

 
Imo he misunderstood the tone you were going for.
 
Anyway...

 

Personally, I believe there's more to the plot than John, per se, running off with Blue Team to save Cortana, as one theory. Anybody can think up a better plot, if this is indeed the main idea. However I suspect John is in this mourning because John has witnessed A LOT of death, and while most of them were soldiers and innocent civilians, even Spartans in the Battle of Reach. Throughout the franchise, Cortana remarks, "Don't make a girl a promise... if you know you can't  keep it." There are times when she seemed more human than AI. And in Halo 3, when John gets "messages", "telepathy", whatever you want to call it, throughout the events of Halo 3, he's constantly seeing his assigned partner in constant torture, or "rampancy" as one might put it. Barely making it out of Reach as the entire planet was being glassed while aboard the Pillar of Autumn with LINDA-058, the sight of the proto-gravemind clawing at Keyes' memories, and getting the implant out of his head. Leaving Cortana behind on High Charity with the Gravemind. The death Sgt. Avery J. Johnson, a character who grew on us during his time. Long story short... John has seen more tragedy than anyone should have, despite the fact he knew this was going to happen and was trained in the harshest of conditions, The events leading up to Halo 5 have seen constant bloodshed. When tragedy strikes a supersoldier so much it messes with him, it can make him do what he never should've. I think these next events will be the first time where John truly feels human.

 

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Nice response. It's true that Chief has witnessed a lot, but he's not a Marine or an ODST, he's a Spartan-II. Spartan-IIs are trained to have almost no emotion, I don't see how he would all of a sudden feel destroyed after losing Cortana. He's lost soldiers, friends, and still continued to fight. All those you mentioned Chief had witnessed suffering and dying did not affect his performance and he continued to follow protocol, now an AI he's spent 5 years with is gone and he's not the same. It's almost as if 343i are over-doing it with the whole story and emotional part (if this is all true). The training of Spartan-IIs does not wear off and lead to them starting to get emotions again. Even aft6er all those losses he faced, he still fought professionally obeying commands. I understand that Cortana is important, but if he has gone rogue, then that's taking it too far. Disobeying Captain Del Rio's command of surrendering Cortana was fair enough, but to the point where he's all of a sudden going rogue and classified as a 'traitor' by the UNSC is just taking it too far.

 

Keep in mind I speak of what has been speculated so far, I'm not stating that this is all true.


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Posted 22 March 2015 - 09:13 AM

1. What is it that doesn't exist?
2. What make you think I'm taking this 'WAY too seriously'?
3. I'm speaking of what has been speculated so far.


1. The Halo Universe
2. You're saying that the Chief being called a traitor bothers you
3. Good for you

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Posted 22 March 2015 - 09:47 AM

I'm thinking that if these speculations are true, then perhaps it's a sign of Chief's mental state deteriorating? I mean, he is getting old, and I don't think being in that hot metal suit 24/7 really helps his case.

If this does happen, and Master Chief really does betray the UNSC, I think it would just be 343 trying to start something bigger in the storyline. Maybe way more Halo to come, or maybe some epic ending. Let's wait and see(:!

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 04:50 AM

Going AWOL- IE deserting your post- in the military is grounds for classification as a Traitor.


Nothing more, nothing less.

Number one: This is all made up and doesn't exist
Number two: You're taking this WAY too seriously
Number three: Who said its Chief who's the traitor? It could be someone else.



3)"The Master Chief has gone AWOL and I'm here to bring him back."
"...as our saviour, and not our betrayer.."
"...the one who was supposed to save us all! But now I must save us from you.
"Everything you've comprimised, everything you've done..."

As well as an interview with Frankie that confirms that John's E3 cloak was because he was hiding from someone.

And the end of Escalation #10, in which two ONI agents evaluate Blue Team's psychiatric state and remark that John is outright refusing orders to take R&R an is constantly accepting mission after mission after mission.

*insert hunt the truth comments because I'm too lazy to type them up"

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 06:40 AM

Going AWOL- IE deserting your post- in the military is grounds for classification as a Traitor.


Nothing more, nothing less.


3)"The Master Chief has gone AWOL and I'm here to bring him back."
"...as our saviour, and not our betrayer.."
"...the one who was supposed to save us all! But now I must save us from you.
"Everything you've comprimised, everything you've done..."

As well as an interview with Frankie that confirms that John's E3 cloak was because he was hiding from someone.

And the end of Escalation #10, in which two ONI agents evaluate Blue Team's psychiatric state and remark that John is outright refusing orders to take R&R an is constantly accepting mission after mission after mission.

*insert hunt the truth comments because I'm too lazy to type them up"


That's news to me. I haven't been keeping up with Escalation or Frank O' Connor. Thanks for the info

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 07:15 AM

That's news to me. I haven't been keeping up with Escalation or Frank O' Connor. Thanks for the info

 

Most of them actually came from either Halo 2:anniversary's bookend cutscenes or the HunttheTruth campaign, more specifically the Locke and chief trailers.


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Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:27 PM

I'll just be bluntly honest, here.. at the end of Halo 4, I wanted Chief to at least admit he loved Cortana. Nupe :/

 

And honestly, for those of us that fell in love with the first Halo (refraining from cracking a joke about the nearly infinite number of H2 lovers out there), it only seems fitting that he'd be willing to break every law he's ever known for her. Sure, it 'breaks lore' and is 'inaccurate,' but some of us will cling to the idea that "love is irrational."

 

But, of course, at the end of Halo 4, we don't even get any form of closure with the dynamic. Instead, we're just told to shove off and wait for Halo 5. Then Locke's introduced, and yadda yadda yadda, here we are today, waiting for Halo 5 still. Sigh, I guess that's all we can do 'til it's spelled out to us through (most likely unskippable cutscenes) the game.



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 09:10 PM

I'll just be bluntly honest, here.. at the end of Halo 4, I wanted Chief to at least admit he loved Cortana. Nupe :/

 

And honestly, for those of us that fell in love with the first Halo (refraining from cracking a joke about the nearly infinite number of H2 lovers out there), it only seems fitting that he'd be willing to break every law he's ever known for her. Sure, it 'breaks lore' and is 'inaccurate,' but some of us will cling to the idea that "love is irrational."

 

But, of course, at the end of Halo 4, we don't even get any form of closure with the dynamic. Instead, we're just told to shove off and wait for Halo 5. Then Locke's introduced, and yadda yadda yadda, here we are today, waiting for Halo 5 still. Sigh, I guess that's all we can do 'til it's spelled out to us through (most likely unskippable cutscenes) the game.

 

Sorry, that may or may not scare half of the Halo Fan Community since: 

Cortana isn't human, though it seems hard to believe, it's literally just a virtual Halsey. If anything, Chief is going to Halsey, that was his mental objective in Halo 4. He maybe finally snapped because he failed his Top Priority; keeping Cortana safe from danger. But now there's nothing left for him to protect. He must go his own way and find his own truth. The galaxy's facing a major threat, whatever it is, and noone will live unless Humanity's Savior is snapped back into service, "Factory Settings" control.


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Posted 08 April 2015 - 11:05 PM

Sorry, that may or may not scare half of the Halo Fan Community since:
Cortana isn't human, though it seems hard to believe, it's literally just a virtual Halsey. If anything, Chief is going to Halsey, that was his mental objective in Halo 4. He maybe finally snapped because he failed his Top Priority; keeping Cortana safe from danger. But now there's nothing left for him to protect. He must go his own way and find his own truth. The galaxy's facing a major threat, whatever it is, and noone will live unless Humanity's Savior is snapped back into service, "Factory Settings" control.



Isn't that exactly what I said?

Nothing makes sense when in love, and knowing that you have failed is far more self-convicting than someone telling you you're guilty.

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 11:20 PM

Isn't that exactly what I said?

Nothing makes sense when in love, and knowing that you have failed is far more self-convicting than someone telling you you're guilty.

 

It's not love, it's a mission. He's failed. Cry cry, 'etc.


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Posted 09 April 2015 - 02:12 AM

I'll just be bluntly honest, here.. at the end of Halo 4, I wanted Chief to at least admit he loved Cortana. Nupe :/

And honestly, for those of us that fell in love with the first Halo (refraining from cracking a joke about the nearly infinite number of H2 lovers out there), it only seems fitting that he'd be willing to break every law he's ever known for her. Sure, it 'breaks lore' and is 'inaccurate,' but some of us will cling to the idea that "love is irrational."

But, of course, at the end of Halo 4, we don't even get any form of closure with the dynamic. Instead, we're just told to shove off and wait for Halo 5. Then Locke's introduced, and yadda yadda yadda, here we are today, waiting for Halo 5 still. Sigh, I guess that's all we can do 'til it's spelled out to us through (most likely unskippable cutscenes) the game.



Really?


Just really?


John loved Cortana as he did Halsey; as a mother figure. That's it. Spartans do not feel attraction sexually and were basically dispose of all emotion to make them efficient in te field. Having any kind of love story completely kills the story and flat out breaks established rule.

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 06:11 AM

Since he was a teenager he has been fighting untill the current events, allies coming and going.

But the one that always was with him throughout the entire campaign, the one that was given to him to be his one and only companion, the one to eliminate his loneliness was Cortana.

Losing her must've had a tremendous impact on him and somewhere beneath that Mark VI armor he's still a human being. No training, indoctrination or containment can take that out of you unless they turn you into an actual machine.

 

At the end of Halo 4 you see that he's devestaded even though he's trying to hide it and if he's found any way to bring his lifelong companion back... What would you have done?


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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:12 AM

Really?


Just really?



Yes really. I actually get INTO the story, rather than just play the game. I'm a sucker for emotional attachments.

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Posted 09 April 2015 - 11:42 AM

Yes really. I actually get INTO the story, rather than just play the game. I'm a sucker for emotional attachments.

 

So despite the fact that it would go against everything that has been established and would make for horrible story overall, you want that?

 

Go read contact harvest or somehthing for love stories, I'd prefer that we continue with the overall story arcs regarding the Timeless One and the Forerunners.


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Posted 10 April 2015 - 05:24 PM

That's news to me. I haven't been keeping up with Escalation or Frank O' Connor. Thanks for the info

 

And yet you stated; This is all made up and doesn't exist  At least bother to check first, I didn't make a thread of lies.

 

Yes really. I actually get INTO the story, rather than just play the game. I'm a sucker for emotional attachments.

 

Not picking a side here, but Bacon does know his lore very well and is most likely more 'INTO the story' than the majority of members here. Having Chief tell Cortana he loves her is just...wrong. This is Halo, not Twilight. He's a soldier, almost emotionless. He wouldn't break down and tell an AI that he loves 'her'.

 

 

 

My main question is: Why would Chief go AWOL? Cortana is not a good enough reason, he's been through much more with others, and seen them die. E.g. Grace-093. Read up more about Grace. She's another Spartan-II. Chief literally saw her die, brutally. He activated the Fail-Safe Detonation on her Mark V armour and continued with the mission. I don't want 343I going all Disney style on us here with the story.


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