Twinreaper

OMG Dog is back! Woooot! and he posted in my thread. Now if I could just Twam to do it for once..... But yeah, thanks for the thumbs up guys. I hope a few of the naughty guys around here will get their acts together, but honestly...I'm not hoping or holding out for much, as Mystie said. But if someone like me goes on without at least trying, then in the end I couldn't very well rise the biggest stinkest about it. I find it better to be proactive than passive......

Ok fellas, we gotta have a little chat. So sit down put on some coffee and lend me an ear...this is gonna be a long one..... Where to start.... ok. So we have now been given Halo 4, and the community seems to be very divided on how good it was, and where it needs to go beyond into Halo 5 & 6. I have read many great threads, and many poorly constructed ones, but the general theme remains the same. Those who did not like it are getting the living crap kicked out of them by members here. Now, I do not expect a hate or complaint thread to go over very well here, especially conscidering this is a "Community Fan Forum" and being a hater is obviously the complete opposite of being a fan. With that being said, a fan does not nessessarily have to like everything about or even one aspect of something to be a fan. There are plenty of sports fans who hate their team, but come back to watch every season. But that is not the point here, our behavior is. Being a fan forum as it is, we have to be prepared to accept the bad that comes with it. Even if these said bad things or comments contradict your own feelings about a particular subject. Every member here has a right to be heard and voice their opinion without prejudice and ridicule. But honestly, I am appauled as of late, with some of the ignorant and unexplainable behavior I have seen. This of coarse is on both sides. So first to you 343i lovers out there.....enough! We get it. You like the game and will post a wealth of non-sense; the same garbage over and over again that supposedly supports why the game is good, without one single detailed aspect of a post. Get your head out of your and 343i's butt and leave the people who did not like it alone. You going into threads and purposely bashing or flaming the OP or other contributing members is not going to solve anything, nor make YOU look good in that thread. I understand the intention is there, to help or make someone understand something from a different perspective, but it doesn't come across that way in the end. It ends up looking like your looking to start a fight, or just keep going trying to prove your right. It isn't about who is right, it is about the perspective that another player has about the product they received. And for better or worse, they are entitled to that perspective. And for you 343i/Halo 4 haters......stop! Raging back at people who do not agree with your vantage point does nothing but continue the circle of hate. Calling the company names, or bashing members who like it does not help your position. I understand some or most of you are new to the site, and gettign bashed or called names out of the gate is uncalled for and hurtfull. But continuing the circle of hate and ranting does nothing but make your entrance into the site more painfull, and will likely force you to leave, or worse...get you banned. You have every right to post up your opinions, but please do it with care and respect. And if someone is giving you a hard time, or unessessary grief, report them to a mod. it is much better than the alternative. And btw, to date, nothing you haters have posted is anything near acceptable. I could puke after reading some of those supposed "prrof it is bad" examples or statements. Take a tip from my posts will yah...POST DATA OR DETAILED EXAMPLES TO EXPLAIN YOUR POSITION ON IT. For that matter, quit rehashing statements I already made, trying to make yourselves look good...IT ISN'T WORKING! Look folks, we don't members to feel harassed or even lose members. by acting the way you all are in these threads, it makes me ashamed to even be a member here along side you. Our goal here is to make this a fun, but peacefully arguable forum with all due respect to the franchise that brought us together. Noone will ever see eye to eye on Halo 4, and because of this, it is important to just acceptit and move on. Leave people be, and try not to go overboard with responses, and try not to go into threads where your response is not helpfull. Everyone reading this can conscider this not only a friendly piece of advice, but also a warning. This is the only time I will be civil or peacefull in my attempt to quell the rift that has been opened. I will not hesitate to tear you apart or humiliate you if that is what it takes to get YOU to understand or behave accordingly. Those of you who know me...know I mean business! With that being said, let's all take another note while we are at it. Posting. If you have something positive or negative to say, POST IT WITH RELEVANT AND ACTUAL EXAMPLES OR DATA!!!! I am tired of seeing everyones posts with simple statements, and nothing to back it up. Posting a statement like "It's good because it's awesome", is not only simply a statement, but it's a statement with no substance, and without substance, how is someone else reading it supposed to see why you feel a certain way? They can't! Which is a big part of this whole debackle! So my final piece of advise...no your ****, and post thought out material, not quick messy crap. You may now all resume your regualr scheduled lives, and contunue browsing the forums. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow! - Twinreaper :3 TL;DR (Yeah, I can do that)

I'm gonna chime in here. If your going to list tiems to defend a title and go on to say how good it is, you need to be specific. Posting things like "The gameplay is good"...please. State specifically what about the gameplay is good, or makes it good for you. Seriously, I'm tired of hearing people ***** and moan about us guys who did not like it. Like us hating it gives everyone else a free pass to shun or kick us to the curb from these forums.

Smoke, I happen to be currently moving all my Halo work over to the Cryengine. As of right now, I have a rigged ODST, Cortana and a few other misc items that I need to port over. If your interested and willing to colab with some people, I think we might have a good chance of getting some solid Halo style gameplay and action into Cryengine.

From that post alone, you are younger than I am, but you still fail to see the point with this. You cannot compare gimicky games like Minecraft to Halo. Minecraft was a cheaply made, and intended simply cheap game to amuse people for hours by building even crappier things. Halo however is a game based on the First Person perspective of a human super soldier trying to prevent the extinction of the human race...clearly, graphics play as big a part in a game like, that just as much as the story does. Second, graphics from the days of Coleco, Atari, Sega Mastery etc...were the best they had at the time. If the developers had streaming 3d rendering...do you really think Pong or Donkey Kong would have kept the same graphical look? The point is, that after 4 long years, the fanbase was treated to a game, that in every engine and gameplay aspect, fails to compare or even attempt to level itself with the quality we got from Bungie, with a shorter time period. When we hear things like, "343i got ex-Bungie employees", one must also ask themselves..... "Ex-Employee? Did they get fired? layed off? Or willingly move? Were these said employees really any good at their job?" From the wuality we got, I would say that most of these ex-employees were willing let go, or allowed to leave since their talent or quality of work clearly wasn't up to Bungie's par.

As much as it kills me to actually have to agree with KillerDude on this one....I agree. In fact, I think I was the first one to complain about it, albeit I had valid carefully laid out very detailed complaints that can't really be argued. But aside from that, re-read what he said. If you actually go into the various other Halo communities like Halomaps, Se7enSins, Modacity, etc....you will actually find that a much larger piece of the community has already spoken out against Halo 4, far more than you see the praise. And we aren't talking newbie players either, we are talking about people whom have played the game for over a decade, and have only decided to speak up now, because THIS IS the Halo that made them complain...period. I mean look, of coarse people are gonna like it, and people are gonna hate it. No I don't agree with the complaints as a whole that people have made, since half of them seem to be nonsense, ass-pulled ones with no real comparison or thought behind them, but things that KillerDude has pointed out, and I'm sure he could finely detail them, have a lot of truth behind them,. This is a Halo forum...love it or hate it, you have to accept both halves of the coin when dealing with a community, not just picking one side that suits you and running with it. I don't blame people for liking it, everyone finds something about it they like and they do just that. But what I don't like, is dismissive people that refuse to see things from a different perspective and just post trash responses instead of understanding... you know who you people are on that one...and I am not amused!

There in lies the kicker Johnnie. From what i have been able to gather for some odd reason, some of the engine is based in or around C++ while a bulk of it seems to be straight C#. Now from my experience migrating projects between the two bases, C++ syntaxes are way too...well how to say...primitive to be properly onverted over to C# and play nice with the rest of the framework. Which does bring an interesting question to light. If they successfully integrated both C++ and C# elements to some degree with negligable results, it seems to me that converting the source project files over to C# to support a more up to date framework library would be a snap. I wonder exactly how much and what parts of the resource library were coded in C++ anyway.....hmmmmmmmm

Yeah, then get up close to everything it all washes out. Like I said, everything looks great from far away. Even when you open the image up to full size, the cliffs look washed out, the detail maps are seriously lacking, and to be honest, the lighting is not that good. Many people don't realize it, but runninglighting is not just the rasterizing and photon casting from the sun origin. Most of the ambient lighting used I found to be stemming from the shaders. Shaders have a section inside certain ones, that include emissive power setting. most of the time you all think they just lit everything awesome..when really it justs properly used values in the shader tag. The lighting system itself kinda sucks and lacks. Seriously folks, open the image and look at the grass decorators they used. it looks like complete crap, and looks like a poorly made made cookie cutter MS PAINT JOB. Next, look at the tires. The warthogs are not even that far away, yet where is the detail. They look like grey smudged circles. Does everyone here need glasses? No, I think everyone just bought into the hype a little too much and does not want to come to grips with the reality, that Halo 4 is a massive letdown.

1. Your a complete an utter moron if you seriously think the graphics are superior to Reach and Halo 3. The LOD of all the textures and the lack of obviously properly generated mipmap ranges is atrocious! Do you know anything at all about how the graphical post processes work for the Blam! engine. I'm almost ashamed for them in this respect. The only saving grace is the poly count of the models used. 2. The player movements do feel clunky. The physics constraints they used are ver lacking compared to how fluid it felt with Reach and 3. Since I cannot verify what Havok version they used, or if they even used Havok at all, I cannot tell you where exactly they screwed it up. 8. I feel as if the Flood model being used it not only very poor, but the way they implimented the Flood variant goes against everything that the infection mode we used to create ourselves, goes against. Floof were never meant to use abilities nor jump higher etc... Most of the fun was having to gang up in swarms to take down other players. With this variant, it becomes mostly luck to even get to someone or kill them. And forget trying to hide when the Flood can use Promethian Vision. It is easily my most hated gametype now... 9 and 12 are simply personal preference. You cannot call them silly or stupid for not liking certain aspects of those items. How can you help him? Seriously Real Talk? You have been a member here for some time now. You should know very well how to help him. Why not invite him to a few matches in customs or campaign and show him how to look at things from a different perspective. Just because he has complaints, does not mean he is not willing to try out a new way of seeing things, or trying to play in a new way. Seriously...do I have to do everyones leg work around here? That being said, yes, not everyone is going to be happy and try to "get" help, but we owe it to our fellow community members to at least try, and not just automatically be dismissive of them.

I like how dismissive you all are on his comments. Clearly he has valid issues, as many of them I was the first to post about. Instead of flaming him or antagonizing the situation, why don't you try to help him instead. I'm getting a little tired of the hit and run flaming of guys like this. This is a great community with great people. We won't keep or entice members to stay if this is how we are going to handle people who have valid complaints with the game. Either post constructive well thought out challenges to the claims, or leave. We don't need flame wars here.

Sykowolf, you of all people should know very well, that I can now pull tag data and prove, that the shader system and textures are no betetr than reach, and in some aspects far less than Reach. My ability is greater than 99% of the whole Halo community, not just this one. My issues are strictly researched and thought-out before I post a quarrel with it. My point was trying to make you guys back off people who don't like it. Yes it was a harsh and straight forward approach...but that is what I am known for, and loved for. If it pleases everyone I will ask nice. Please do not clog up threads about people venting for their disappointment. It does not help, and only proves further how someone cannot can not come into a nice forum like this, and just vent and have a load taken off their shoulders. We are a community first and foremost....I expect better out of all of you.

I'm gonna stop all you trolls right here. I posted this up elsewhere, but as I can see, another fellow gamer needs some help defending himself against you morons. You should all read this... Lets get one thing straight before this gets wildly out of hand, this is a thread from one of the many members who was not satisfied with the game, period. It is his opinion based on his personal taste and playthrough. Who the hell do any of you think you are to stroll into a thread like this, and try to force your own agenda or view on him? Posting as if you have some sort of psuedo otherwordly knowledge about human behavior and him in general, that you can make the kind of posts you did? I hated it as well. I listed my quarrels, and 99% of this community cannot properly defend the game against my issues because it lacks the proper understanding in terms of development to do so. A game is no different than a car. You take it for a test drive, and at the end you either like it, or you don't. No amount of driving time is gonna make you like that ugly little Gremlin, and the same goes for Halo 4. No matter how many times you play it, you will either like or you won't. People need a place to vent about their disappointment, and this IS a forum afterall. This should be a place that people who dislike the game, can come and share that with others without having to be bombarded by fanboy dicks who just want to get their half a cent in. You come into a thread like this knowing the OP does not like the game, yet you come in and post, then get butt hurt about what gets posted back? If you go looking for trouble you will find it. You guys really need to let people go and cut them a little slack. They have every right to not like, or be dissapointed by the game. If any of you really wanted to help, you would either... a.) Not post anything in here. b.) Post relative tips on how to enjoy the game instead of posting "give it a chance", or "It's only been one day!" or c.) Invite them to play with someone who likes it, to see a different perspective. Wow, I guess I just did all the work for you...good job team!

Yes my brethren you are not alone. I play Legacy Inverted on 1 sensitivity and I too feel the pain of the vehicle controls. I can never again fly a banshee. Unfortunately they did not include a way to adjust vehicle controls...which is odd since this is the first game in the series that gives a vehicle a set of default assigned controls.

Thats my job mate. to bring clarity and butt hurt to those who oppose me. Sick them my minions! Mwahahahahaaaaa

Lets get one thing straight before this gets wildly out of hand, this is a thread from one of the many members who was not satisfied with the game, period. It is his opinion based on his personal taste and playthrough. Who the hell do any of you think you are to stroll into a thread like this, and try to force your own agenda or view on him? Posting as if you have some sort of psuedo otherwordly knowledge about human behavior and him in general, that you can make the kind of posts you did? I hated it as well. I listed my quarrels, and 99% of this community cannot properly defend the game against my issues because it lacks the proper understanding in terms of development to do so. A game is no different than a car. You take it for a test drive, and at the end you either like it, or you don't. No amount of driving time is gonna make you like that ugly little Gremlin, and the same goes for Halo 4. No matter how many times you play it, you will either like or you won't. People need a place to vent about their disappointment, and this IS a forum afterall. This should be a place that people who dislike the game, can come and share that with others without having to be bombarded by fanboy dicks who just want to get their half a cent in. You come into a thread like this knowing the OP does not like the game, yet you come in and post, then get butt hurt about what gets posted back? If you go looking for trouble you will find it. You guys really need to let people go and cut them a little slack. They have every right to not like, or be dissapointed by the game. If any of you really wanted to help, you would either... a.) Not post anything in here. b.) Post relative tips on how to enjoy the game instead of posting "give it a chance", or "It's only been one day!" or c.) Invite them to play with someone who likes it, to see a different perspective. Wow, I guess I just did all the work for you...good job team!

You don't understand. I don't play matchmaking, I play halo purely for custom fun and campaign only. This is the only time in my long long history with Halo that I have ever been disappointed with the campaign or game overall. I doubt time will afford me a different view, but I am trying. I'm not saying I am done with it, I am just simply stating my first impression of playing it for a few hours. So please, commenting with a reply like "just enjoy it" or "give it a chance" are really irrelevant. If I do not enjoy it, it is just that. Nothing can change it, and every Halo game is not for everyone. Look how many people hated Reach, and yet I seem to be getting more hate and spam about my feelings with 4, than anyone else did with Reach.

As I am sure a lot of people have seen from my ranting in the shoutbox, I have very mixed emotions regarding Halo 4. So rather than spam the shoutbox and hash it out with other members, I felt it best to list my quarrles with it here, with comparative items to show why my opinion is such.... 1. For once, for the love of god, can we have a campaign or story that does not almost mimic every other Halo title?!? We start off on a ship, fight our way through the ship and crash land on a planet (Halo CE, Halo 2 - crashing, Halo 3 - ship crashing) To top it off, we are greated with a lame Halo CE / Halo 3 style vehicle run on the 3rd level. I almost felt as if I was playing the last level. No originality or great story direction. 2. Gameplay. The player controls and physics constraining the character felt as if I was playing a completely different game. The turning and general movements feel clunky, and at times it feels like a struggle to move your character towards the goal. The radar is useless and enemies appear to sometimes just come out of nowhere. With previous Halo games, the radar worked...period. And the Ai, seems to have been beefed up heavily even while playing on easy missions. For example I decided to play a level on Easy, and the ammo on weapons were gone in a blink of the eye. The plasma Pistol in particular gets about half the shots off as the previous versions, and gets worse on harder difficulties. Aiming is clunky and unsteady, and just god awefull. The melee system no longer will boost you a bit if your close enough to normally hit someone. I attacked an Elite head on and hit the button a second too soon and nothing happened...complete miss. In previous Halo titles, you had a bit of magnetism to aid you in melee'ing someone in the form a quick little boost. nothing here. 3. Graphics. Forget those nice shiny polished pre-baked cinemarics we got early on, or the carefully published gameplay. Every single texture I have encountered has no real detail map applied, and further the LOD is horrid. Yes they look nice from far away, but when I get up close, it shouldn't look like looking through a dirty smudged Coke bottle. The shaders they employ are lacking any real HD textures. I wouldn't be suprised to find not one single 2048x2048 or 1024x1024 texture in the entire game. Most of them look like poorly made 512 textures with even ****tier mipmaps. Even MC's visor lacks any real luster. it almost reminds me of a poorly spray lackered plastic turd. It's shiny and plastic looking and at times during the game, it almost looks as if it doesn't belong there. Even the bump maps blow. When we see chief after he crashes on the planet and you see his hand next to the assault rifle....the bumpy textured hand/suit mesh thing, doesn't even stand out. it looks flat and lifeless. it should be emplying a high hes bump map to bring those etches in the mesh to life. Don't even get me started on the material effects.... 4. Environments. The Forerunner stuff looks good, but at times it looks very plain and lifeless. I can only take flat angled pillars with basic grey/white for sooo long. it almost reminds me of Halo 2 cut and paste levels like Sentinel Walls. The outdoor environments are almost completely devoid of secondary objects like decorators and grass, trees, or any other item. The water is just plain ******. Run through the water, and there is almost no splash or ripple. I took a hog thru one early on, and I was Wad-da-faq just happened?!? Before we used to get a nice splash and water spread that came up as a material effect applied to the shader for it. Nope...gone. The skiyboxes are ok, but not as great as I expected. For instance the interior of the world. I expected to see something much better than orange and faded lines. very boring and poorly done. For that matter...did you actually look at the Capital ships during that segment. Seriously...go back and zoom in on them when they slipspace in.....they look like complete ****! Way to go on the active scenery guys! 5. vehicles. banshee?!?! What the ****?!?!?! Why on earth would the controls of the banshee not be the same as the player would have them without the vehicle In all other Halo titles, the controls never changed when you got inside one. I play with Legacy Inverted, and because they are not inverted when i get inside a banshe...I can never ever use a banshee. The Warthog. it looks like a Tonka truck with rollbars. it's big, clunky and sounds like a dying deisel generator. it sounds horrible and handles even worse. It hss almost no stopping power. It took me 4 direct hits head on as fast as it would go, to kill one grunt. The turret was nerfed greatly as well. They said before it was going to be unlimited use.....but oh yeah...it overheats still....thanks for lying and thanks for diminishing the value of having a warthog in your arsenal. If you dont believe me, perhaps you need to go back through and play Halo 2 and 3.... 6. Sound. Every single sound reverbs horribly and almost sounds as if they are coming from a muffled megaphone. Seriously guys, you spent how long on this, and yet the sounds are worse than an old Betamax recorded video. every weapon sound does not fit the game. Halo is a fantasy/alien shooter and yet everytime I hear a weapon fire, I think I'm playing something else. there is a reason why Bungie never made any drastic weapon sound changes..BECAUSE THEY WERE PERFECT THE WAY THEY WERE! The ambient music for normal play is blahhh...and the overture music for certain sequences seems forced and does not fit the moment. A few times I'm playing and it's frantic as hell...but it's soft mellow music playing?!? What?!? 7. Servers and stats. It was broken before we played. First thing they post up at launch is "we are having problems yadda yadda. **** should not be broken 1 minute after launch. Bungie never had any network issues for any Halo title a minute after launch, and certaintly not stat resseting. For a company as large as Microsoft to **** up that abd on an important title like this..makes me doubt MS and 343i's commitment to quality products. No dedicated servers?!? yet again we revert back to the failed newtrok model of client hosting being passed off. How and when is this even a good idea? Halo should never be left to client hosting. By doing so, you completely say "**** you" to the customer by basically saying that Live is useless since their service and hardware is doing nothing but initially pairing you up and checking map checksums. Everything else, gets passed off to a player. So why am I paying money for Live, if I or another player is hosting a match?!? Seriously...give me a good thought out explanation someone... Overall I cannot understand why people will jump up to defend this game against my opinion. Everything I point out can be compared to Halo 2/3/Reach, and you can clearly see where my points are valid. I could understand if I was pulling this out of my ass, but the proof is in the game. And before soemone goes and tells me my TV is screwy...I just bought a brand new Samsung 55" HDLCD. and have played Halo 4 on a total of 3 different HD LCD TV's and I have seent he same thing over and over again. It's not my TV's and it's not my eyes or ears...the game graphically and audibly took about 3 steps back. You would think that a developer would be able to produce a much better product in 4 years than what we have. And don't give me a load of **** about how they wanted to go ina different direction. Their intention ewas to make a good Halo game, not reinvent the wheel. They specifically stated that they wanted to take the game back to the core of what made Halo, Halo. All I got for my $60 + dollars was something that is NOT Halo and is almost a complete waste of my time. End rant!

Yes, the Map Pass is a one time enter code that will link the map releases to your GT/Console. When they become available you still download them via the Marketplace, only you get them free...well not free.....you payed for them in some form. But from what i know, Map Pass holders get them before everyone else. possibly a week or 2 in advance.

Is it just me, or did everyone just randomly forget that this is the Halo 2 forum. Spike grenades were in halo 3.....lmao