ideas questions and guesses on halo5? Based on Halo4

[Mango88]

alright, I need your help community. I have a few questions?

 

Knowing the books that were released based on halo, when bungie was reigning from halo,halo2, halo3, Odst and reach.

 

My first question is if the whole literature about the precursors was initiated by bungie? Or just people who got the copyright to write about the series? Cause if it indeed was written by bungie you would think bungies intent would be to follow the story along with literature.

 

Second question. Do you think 343 will use bungie literature about the precursors? Or is there any mention of them in the game itself. A part of me tells me they would keep the story to the game for the people that don't read the literature so everyone can be caught up in speed and clarity, but maybe 343 has other ideas..

 

Another question is why did the prophets want to destroy the halos and all centian life? Do you think these prophets were actually truthful in their plans? Or do you think they were trying to accomplish DIDACTS wishes earlier on? Or maybe go against DIDACTS plans to destroy him. In fact one could argue didact himself is organic and not digital but bridged the gap between the organic and digital by using the composer on himself cause he wanted immortality.

 

Thus he is half machine/digital but also human. As the series says that humans are the decendants of the forerunners themselves? Organic but humans bridged the gap between from organic and digital by dr Halsey and thus MASTERCHEIF. just like promethans where humans that the didact used the composer to bridge the organic and digital. Dr Halsey is like a composer herself bridging the organic and digital. Thus spartan MASTERCHEIF is DIDACTS biggest enemy cause they share the same nature.

 

I'm goanna take you to a dialogue between the librarian and MASTERCHEIF. Librarian "we had no way of knowing that the forerunner were not your only enemy" right before she says this she says "I am the remains of the forerunner".. So obviously there is a battle within the forerunners to threat humanity. Didect vs. the librarian. (But I don't totally trust the librarian, neither did cortana)

Anyhow the coversation between MASTERCHEIF and the librarian goes on and they talk about the history of humans and how they had explored the space in conquest and started fighting other beings thus the didact captured humans and made them promethans to (organic to digital) to fight humans and stop their rebellion and haunt them.

 

The next dialogue confuses me Librarian: " weakened from our conflict we were no match for the parasite that pursued you".... What parasite was this? Is it the flood. Weakened from the conflict? She must be talking about the conflict between the didact promethans and humans and how both humans and forerunners were not immune to the flood. Since the forerunners were organic like humans they are susceptible to the flood parasite. She goes on to say after mentioning that they (the forerunners) were no match for the flood like humans that "the forerunners made plans for a great journey" (this must be the extermination of all centian life/organic life including the forerunners themselves the flood and halo) ... Right after she mentions that the forerunners made plans for the great journey on behalf of being weakened by the flood she says "THE DIDACT REFUSED to YEILD to the MANTLE of RESPONSIBILITY" (do you think that is the great journey? Killing all centian life so none can be infected thereby saving humanity?) ...

 

All along this conversation in spite of the forerunners being weakened by the flood cause they are organic and preparing the great journey (what is revealed to us in halo 2 and 3) the librarian says the DIDECT REFUSED. So maybe the didect did not want to kill all centian life? The librarian goes on to say that the Didact would SAVE all life in the galaxy at a cost.. (So I believe he went against the plan of the great journey) BUT at a COST it says....

 

But here is where is the big revalation. The librarian says "in the forerunner quest for transcendence the composer would be intended to bridge the ORGANIC (the forerunner and human) and digital realms (digital being immortal) she goes on to says IT WOULD HAVE MADE US IMMORTAL!!!

 

the librarian to me doesn't seem immortal. But does the didect? Most certainly! Which would mean the didact used the composer on HIMSELF (bridging the organic with the digital) thus take a look at him very similar to promethans huh? And doesn't he look like an abomination?

 

Also the librarian says the locked him away and hid the composer from him. (He indeed was an abomination) but the librarian says she hid seeds from the didact when she indexed mankind. (Mankind came from forerunners) "seeds that would lead to an EVENTUALITY. "YOUR PHYSICAL COMBAT SKIN" She tells MASTERCHEIF he is a thousand lifetimes of planning. MASTERCHEIF asks planning for what and she says immunity to the composer.

 

Which makes me think MASTERCHEIF had immunity from the composer because of his "combat skin" (dr halseys own bridge between the organic and digital).. In fact when that beam was used on people it fried all of them but master CHEIF survived hmmm. Last but not least MASTERCHEIF asks the librarian if he can defeat the didact WITHOUT THE COMPOSER and she says NO. And he responds then DO IT!

 

Then remember what happened something mystical happened to him? What was that? I believe it was the composer being used on him so he would share the same immunity to it as the DIDECT did, but do you know what I think it possibly could of done? It could of made MASTERCHEIF connected to The life force of the didact because the didact used it on himself to protect himself from the flood by merging the organic to the digital. Thus if didact died then master CHEIF would die. And if the didact died then master CHEIF would have died...

 

This is all speculation but I truly think it might be moving in that direction. And isn't odd that if I am right in those conclusions how close it foreshadows harry potter and voldemort.

 

Let me know what you think in the comments. And thank you for taking the time of reading all this. Halo is confusing as it is thus even talking about it leads into a supernova of calamity and confusion. Thanks for bearing with me. I'll bear with y'all too .... Let me know what you think of my conclusions and if they are off base to the story of the game. Like I said I'm not sure if 343 will use precursors or halo literature from bungie or not and if they do this is sure to get even more confusing. Comment. With love. - mango

[Buns]

This is a HUGE wall of text and I sadly can't answer all your questions but ill answer a few. If you organized it more or asked the questions straight to the point I could help with all

 

The first

No. The Precursors were created by 343i. Actually the whole idea that the Forerunners are "aliens" was also created by 343i. The original idea for the Forerunners by Bungie was that they were originally going to be humans aswell, but when 343i took over this idea was scrapped

 

Also for that "mystical thing" that happened to Chief during Halo 4. All that happened was the Librarian rewrote Chiefs DNA to have immunity to the composer. Maybe it is more important then we think lore wise, but 343i never expanded on it so I would have to say no. 

[AnimeAddict]

This is a HUGE wall of text and I sadly can't answer all your questions but ill answer a few. If you organized it more or asked the questions straight to the point I could help with all

 

The first

No. The Precursors were created by 343i. Actually the whole idea that the Forerunners are "aliens" was also created by 343i. The original idea for the Forerunners by Bungie was that they were originally going to be humans aswell, but when 343i took over this idea was scrapped

 

Also for that "mystical thing" that happened to Chief during Halo 4. All that happened was the Librarian rewrote Chiefs DNA to have immunity to the composer. Maybe it is more important then we think lore wise, but 343i never expanded on it so I would have to say no. 

 

Here is a list of Appearances for the Precursors

from http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Precursor

• Halo 3 (Mentioned only)
• Halo: Cryptum
• Halo: Primordium
• Halo: Silentium (Mentioned only)

[Mango88]

Anime addict thank you for presenting the information on where the precursor is mentioned. My friend told me it was mentioned in halo 3 somewhere by possibly cortana, but most literature says they fought with the forerunners but that the forerunners descended/found their source by them. But conflict between the two I believe are mentioned in the books. Thanks for your info. Wonder if they will play a role in the later series, I'm guessing they will if it's a saga.

 

Bnus thank you for your reply, my question for you is how do we know the librarian did something with cheifs DNA? Is there dialogue in the game revealing that or is it documented in one of the books? If so what book, I know there's a lot of info on halo nation. Would be most gracious if you could answer. Thanks for your input as well. and plz take time to read it all even though it's long.My friend thought my thoughts were definitely interesting and I believe you might as well. Also consider when someone is asking multiple questions there is sometimes prior information given so that the question can be understood properly in context, and there is also sometimes reasons that are stated of why one would perceive a certain answer to the question he is asking, thus I labeled this thread IDEAS,QUESTIONS,and GUESSES so by reading it all you are reading not just my questions but my ideas and guesses much like a free flowing dialogue not a college term paper so please understand the intent of the "thread" and "title" was not titled "just straight to the point questions", but rather "ideas,questions,and guesses". I don't mean to come across mean. I think I'm a pretty understanding human not better or worse but equal to my other human brothers. Go to a thread called ideas, and you'll find questions and guesses. Go to a thread called questions, and you'll find ideas and guesses. Go to a thread called guesses, and you'll find ideas and questions. Get what I'm saying. Welcome to being human. . Spread love.

[The Director]

Bnus thank you for your reply, my question for you is how do we know the librarian did something with chief's DNA? Is there dialogue in the game revealing that or is it documented in one of the books? 

It's been a while, but if I remember correctly it was in the Halo 4 campaign where Chief meets the librarian that she tells him that she did. 

[Mango88]

Director thanks! I might have to shimmy to the cutscenes of that crucial dialogue within the game via youtube maybe I missed it. When I talk to people who have read the books and have that knowledge(story insight) and remember it all my head explodes in thanksgiving in wonder. As a kid I had no idea what the story meant I was just eager to blow things up and ride warthogs ;p but zelda, that's a different story... I seriously think it's cause the story within halo is so saturated in military type language and scifi language, idk it's deep with a lot of information. Information overload to a young kid. But I'm older now? I think? Lol.

Director do you think the didact used the composer on himself when forerunners where in mortal/organic form? Something tells me the didact is not organic but bridged the gap to organic to digital much like Halsey bridged the gap between organic and digital with master CHEIF.....

 

The didact being digital would explain him messing with the radio field causing interception between the ships in the last levels. Hmmm

[Mango88]

director and everyone reading this forum. Wow, I just watched the reclaimer scene again and 343 definitely sets it up the way I suggested to director in the comment above about the didact being immortal and the librarian being mortal. And mc being immortal. Let me explain. Yes something was unlocked in MASTERCHEIF's DNA but the unlocking was him being made immortal by the composer, because the composer always effected dna(organic) to make it digital/ immortal.

 

First I will point out the the librarian is mortal as when the didact comes on the scene he tells her " even in DEATH HER medling continues" -death signifies her mortality

 

Now let me expound on the dialogue between the librarian and MASTERCHEIF.

The librarian says "Reclaimer the gene saw I placed within you contains many gifts, including an immunity to the composer, BUT IT MUST BE UNLOCKED. (She is basically saying his organic DNA must be unlocked, and I'm thinking digitally, which the composer is meant to do)

 

After the above dialogue MASTERCHEIF asks the librarian how? The librarian replies "your EVOLUTIONARY JOURNEY MUST BE ACCELERATED! " (what kind of evolutionary acceleration would be bigger than changing organic to digital/immortal?)

 

Master CHEIF goes on to ask if he can defeat the didact without this evolutionary acceleration in which she replies with a big fat NO.

 

End of dialogue above (below is conclusion pertaining to it)

 

I believe the "unlocking of master cheofs gene saw which accelerates his "evolutionary journey" is something that happens, but the way in which MASTERCHEIF's "organic, gene saw" is unlocked is not shown or revealed. (But it is revealed subliminally). I believe the composer was used on him because MASTERCHEIF was "ALREADY COMPOSED" by Hal Lindsay who bridged the organic man to digital via biological spartan technology Lindsay came up with which you could consider a "seed the librarian indexed humans with". Contrast everything I've just said about MASTERCHEIF being composed already to the didect.... The didact "HAD" and I stress "HAD" to use the composer to CHANGE his organic to DIGITAL/MACHINE, Thus the DIDACTS personality is "FRAGMENTED" and he can't return to purely "organic". Please remember the DIDACT CANNOT RETURN to pure organic, but he is stuck being immortal, chaotic and digital. Master CHEIF on the other hand is already composed "bridged organic and digital by Hal Lindsay", but please note Master CHEIF is NOT STUCK by not being able to return to "purely organic"(mortal)... So basically the composer was used on something that ALREADY bridged the gap of organic and digital BUT was NOT fragmented and stuck not able to return to organic. All he has to do is take off his suit. So long story short master CHEIF was empowered the same way the DIDAC was so he could destroy him.

 

Another clue to this is the composer itself. Take a look at what color it is in the scene. It is BLUE. The composer is blue and so is the beam around master CHEIF during his organic unlocking. (Did 343 give us clues?) Also if you see MASTERCHEIF during the clip of being organically unlocked/evolutionary accelerated, HE IS LIFTED OFF THE GROUND MUCH LIKE THE SAME POWER the DIDACT USES.... I think it's evident the composer was used on MASTERCHEIF. Maybe I'm wrong but I really feel 343 sets it up this way with clues and dialogue.

 

Please comment and share what you think. I find this story very interesting if you couldn't tell. I hope you do to. Happy trails y'all. Keep keepin on. Love and peace. -mango

[Mango88]

low and behold I'm not the only one who is proposing the idea above. Strangely enough someone a day prior to my post posted the same theory I propose above... You can find their discussion on halo waypoint, I will give you the link below:

 

 

Site https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/the-didact-has-been-composed/baccfe51-0697-4e9e-b150-aaa7e7be1962/posts

 

 

Now that I know I'm not the only one who's caught onto this idea I would go even further and propose even more on how if the above theory is true effects the future of halo 4,5 but mostly how it makes everything in the past halo 1,2,3, make sense. Below are my theories, questions, ideas, and guesses, toward if the above theory is true.

 

 

new question did the forunner(organic) didact use the composer on himself in attempt to protect the forunners(organic) and humans from the flood but it fragmented his personality not letting him return to the organic because he became digital.

Was he like the good guy in the beginning because he refused to go ahead with the "great journey" that the other forerunners wanted to. Was his intention to save the forerunners and the humans and the composer ended up doing more damage then good and his moral nature was changed and grew sour. The librarian says he wanted to save life but with a cost. I belive he might of used the composer on himself which would explain his moral nature switch from being a protector of humanity to a destroyer as he began to take humans captive and make them promethans to fight against, you guessed it humans.... This would explain a lot.

 

Altogether if this theory is right it shows that master CHEIF is his biggest enemy cause Master CHEIF would ascend to save mankind in which possibly was the DIDACTS plan to begin with but it failed, thus there is such animosity and hatred toward master CHEIF.

 

Sad theory too. also since didact was turned digital without being able to return to pure organic (bridged organic and digital) with his fragmented personality and moral chaotic change, he intercepted the AI to blow the whole halos up to kill all centian life and worked through 343 guilty spark and other "oracles" to persuade the prophets to do this which would have caused everyone to die except for him, it would have killed the librarian and all the other forerunners(organic/mortal) who's main intent Was to save humanity..... thus when the librarian indexed humans and they repopulated the earth he knew of this plan. Humans would soon come to the mantle of responsibility and 1.defeat didact, 2.be in charge of saving humanity.