Creative Gaming Inc. Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 It's built for 4v4-5v5, you put sixteen people on that and all the sudden you're playing COD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeckoningZebra1 Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 343i decided it was better as a Big Team map than just a regular 4v4 map. I personally don't care for the map at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconShelf Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Worst map. Period. It's the only H4 map I despise to the point of leaving if it's on. Should have stayed in spartan Ops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Stig Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Worst map. Period. It's the only H4 map I despise to the point of leaving if it's on. Should have stayed in spartan Ops. What happens in Spartan Ops... Stay in Spartan Ops... ...Sigh... I wish that was true... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 (edited) I love BTB Complex! You got your high ground, your underground, good cover + transition to open spaces. Although if you're caught not reading your radar and turn the wrong corner, you'll get what you deserve! So what if the opposing team has locked down the high ground and is picking you off. You still have all the cover that map offers all the close quarters should give you enough faith to find a way. And in my experience both bases can be overruned easily and feel like the spawns points are unbalanced, but that goes for both sides. Good weapon placement Intricate layout I have always felt like this map is one of the better ones. Stating you hate it without listing a reason makes me want to question your opinion. But I don't really care for this map when it comes time to play objective I feel this is a Slayer only kinda map. Edited August 25, 2013 by Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zandril Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Complex was way too big for 4v4. It belongs in BTB because of its scale. Regardless, it's still a pretty bad map. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconShelf Posted August 25, 2013 Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 There isn't a paticular reason I hate it. I just don't have fun on it. Might be lack of vehicular combat (Which I believe) that is integral to 8v8 play. Plus it's about DMR's and BR's, I just get cross mapped all the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creative Gaming Inc. Posted August 25, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2013 Complex is about the size of Asylum, which is a 4v4 map. I like it for 4v4, but in BTB it's too cramped, and the player migration dynamics that are integrated in a 4v4 map (where players tend to flow towards one or two combat areas) just makes for unstrategic chaos with sixteen people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zandril Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 Complex is about the size of Asylum, which is a 4v4 map. I like it for 4v4, but in BTB it's too cramped, and the player migration dynamics that are integrated in a 4v4 map (where players tend to flow towards one or two combat areas) just makes for unstrategic chaos with sixteen people. Dude, Complex is way bigger than Asylum/Sanctuary. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivesy Posted August 26, 2013 Report Share Posted August 26, 2013 I think it works much better on btb than 4v4. It could get a bit quiet before but now there is alot more going on. true with the number of players its not a map thats easy to sneak around on but i think btb needed a map like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzzyA Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 It's built for 4v4-5v5, you put sixteen people on that and all the sudden you're playing COD. YOU SIR ARE OUT OF YOUR MIND I think it's too big even for BTB. Why does everybody think these maps are small?!?!?! They're HUGE! I can't stand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzzyA Posted August 27, 2013 Report Share Posted August 27, 2013 Complex is about the size of Asylum, which is a 4v4 map. I like it for 4v4, but in BTB it's too cramped, and the player migration dynamics that are integrated in a 4v4 map (where players tend to flow towards one or two combat areas) just makes for unstrategic chaos with sixteen people. Asylum is less than half the size of Complex... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creative Gaming Inc. Posted August 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 Asylum is less than half the size of Complex... Really? O_o Oh, I guess you're right… still, pretty cramped for BTB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzzyA Posted August 30, 2013 Report Share Posted August 30, 2013 I disagree, I think all the maps are too huge. To me maps like Haven and Adrift are suitable size for BTB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creative Gaming Inc. Posted August 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 I disagree, I think all the maps are too huge. To me maps like Haven and Adrift are suitable size for BTB. Are you for real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzzyA Posted August 31, 2013 Report Share Posted August 31, 2013 Absolutely, they should put smaller maps in for 4v4. I spend the majority of the games looking for people. Everything is too big. I miss the old halo maps =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sadly Just AL Posted September 1, 2013 Report Share Posted September 1, 2013 Yeah, it's already a very laggy map on regular slayer, so big team is just a major no no. don't know why it's in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kowloon Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Complex wasn't made for a 8v8 but a 5v5 or a 6v6 people hated it because it was a big map to control it was made for slayer, flag and koth. P.S. I hate it for flag in btbs because they just sit in the flag room and use camo like little girls because they cant go positive outside the flag room. (this was meant to make those that do this mad) I disagree, I think all the maps are too huge. To me maps like Haven and Adrift are suitable size for BTB. WTF haven a 16 player map maybe for flood but not slayer, koth or oddball. Adrift maybe for slayer, flood for sure but the rest hell no I have to disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximum Clutch Posted September 2, 2013 Report Share Posted September 2, 2013 Complex is just horrible no matter what playlist it is in. There are two maps I despise and they are Complex, and Settler. Those two maps have made btb unplayable for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzzyA Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Meh there are going to be disagreements everywhere. Simply put, Halo 4 is meant for casual gamers. Competitive gamers like me don't really get into it that much, even MLG disagree's with the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creative Gaming Inc. Posted September 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Complex is just horrible no matter what playlist it is in. There are two maps I despise and they are Complex, and Settler. Those two maps have made btb unplayable for me. Oh don't even get me started on Settler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuzzyA Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 WTF haven a 16 player map maybe for flood but not slayer, koth or oddball. Adrift maybe for slayer, flood for sure but the rest hell no I have to disagree with you. No matter the gametype, adrift and haven are both absolutely perfect for BTB. I play multi team the majority of the time just because it's the only play list that i don't have to spend half the game looking for someone to kill only to die to some random boltshot that's camping around a corner. And I'm sure any competitive halo player would agree with me that the maps are too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHa0s Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 Oh don't even get me started on Settler. Settler looks like a kindergartner Forged it, and it plays horribly. Complex on the other hand... I don't really have an opinion on Complex Slayer, and I could care less if it's a 4v4 or 8v8 game on the map, I don't mind it. But what I really like on Complex is Team Regicide, and what I absolutely LOVE (unless matchmaking screws my team and pits us against BTBnet teams like they did today when I've got peeps on my team with neg k/d's - - really? REALLY?!?) is Flag on Complex. I don't know why you be hatin' on Complex. But Settler? Don't get me started on Settler... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_oldy Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 There are lots of long sight lines but there is plenty of movement in cover too. It's not like the map is cramped into close range fights, there are tons of areas that get very little traffic. Some areas get a lot of action but your not forced into them. The high ground areas are powerful, but vulnerable. Yes its one of the smaller BTB maps, but its not choked up, and still has some nice long sight lines. I don't see what the problem with this map is, seems like a perfect addition to the BTB playlist to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 But Settler? Don't get me started on Settler... YOU'RE ALL CRAZY! First Complex, now Settler? Has the whole world gone mad?!?! Settler is decent! Besides the hill that no noobs go for, the map is laidout pretty nice. It feels like a big map. Where you find cover there is large open areas to the next piece of cover, like the previous Halo BTB maps, it works. If you have a full team you can play this map like a boss if you're working together. Wanna tip? Use the DMR or Lightrifle you'll be less likely to make yourself cry. Never thought I'd see so much hate for these maps.. I figured you guys would be talking about how much you hate Abandon. There are lots of long sight lines but there is plenty of movement in cover too. It's not like the map is cramped into close range fights, there are tons of areas that get very little traffic. Some areas get a lot of action but your not forced into them. The high ground areas are powerful, but vulnerable. Yes its one of the smaller BTB maps, but its not choked up, and still has some nice long sight lines. I don't see what the problem with this map is, seems like a perfect addition to the BTB playlist to me. ^ I agree! ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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