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#41 Ailean

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Posted 20 December 2014 - 06:26 PM

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They trust one another im sure, but Halo 3 implies no friendship between the two. :)

 

Whenever Arbiter tries to talk to Chief it goes like this.

 

"Truth is in that structure now we end this this" Arbiter

*Silence* Chief.

 

Yep, a real friendship.

 

It is friendship if you wanna know,but keep on mind that Chief surely never talks alot.Since Halo started we all learnt alot about him,also that he doesn't talk much.It's just his temperament and it's characteristic for him to be that ''silent'' type of person.Even if they made Halo 4 where Chief talks more than in previous games,Cortana said 10 lines and just after that he says something short and simple.Also remember how it looked between Johnson and him in Halo 2 & Halo 3.Does that mean Johnson and John were not friends?After all it's better for everyone if Arbiter n Master Chief have some kind of friendship.If not,then you should know Halo 5 could maybe bring big plot twist to whole franchise.No doubt it would impacts Halo fans too.Although my English isn't much correct hope you will find a way to understand what I'm saying.As I said before,nobody said they grew up in same neighborhood or they were playing games together to say Arbiter and Chief are BFF.  :)


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Posted 20 December 2014 - 08:14 PM

Chief rarely talks at all, Caboose. And he does have friends. Cortana, Johnson, Blue Team, and yes, the Arbiter. He rarely responded verbally to any of them. But he showed genuine care for them.

 

At the start of Halo 3, it was an uneasy alliance. As it went on, they formed trust, which grew with time. By the time they got to Truth, Chief had the respect for him to allow him to be the one to kill Truth. Immediately afterward, they stood back to back like brothers. And after that, the Arbiter even went to High Charity after Chief, to help him!

 

Then the Arbiter alone stuck by Chief to see the mission to the end, even when given the option not to, and when the other Elites were already leaving. And he showed sympathy when Johnson died, despite rarely being fazed by death normally.

 

And of course, the line from the prologue. Which is canon no matter how you look at it. If the implications in Halo 3 were not enough, Halo 2 Anniversary confirms it. They do count each other friends.


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Posted 20 December 2014 - 08:46 PM

Chief rarely talks at all, Caboose. And he does have friends. Cortana, Johnson, Blue Team, and yes, the Arbiter. He rarely responded verbally to any of them. But he showed genuine care for them.

 

At the start of Halo 3, it was an uneasy alliance. As it went on, they formed trust, which grew with time. By the time they got to Truth, Chief had the respect for him to allow him to be the one to kill Truth. Immediately afterward, they stood back to back like brothers. And after that, the Arbiter even went to High Charity after Chief, to help him!

 

Then the Arbiter alone stuck by Chief to see the mission to the end, even when given the option not to, and when the other Elites were already leaving. And he showed sympathy when Johnson died, despite rarely being fazed by death normally.

 

And of course, the line from the prologue. Which is canon no matter how you look at it. If the implications in Halo 3 were not enough, Halo 2 Anniversary confirms it. They do count each other friends.

 

You know,while reading this,goosebumps got all over my body.Especially parts I've marked.


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 05:53 AM

Trust, respect and caring is not the same as friendship. :)

 

 


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 06:15 AM

Trust, respect and caring is not the same as friendship. :)

 

 

You just said three words that builds friendship.

Also I'm confused about your trying to tell us all there is no friendship between those two characters.The question is why are you doing that?Some form of satisfaction to be alot different person from others,or 343Industries and Microsoft told you that?I'm not sure about 343 and Microsoft but I'm 100% sure about your crazy statement.


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 08:58 AM

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Maybe I do it, because I disagree? :D

 

what else could it be, I just don't see any friendship there, I see trust, I see respect, they even care for one another. ( Still though why is Arbiter always hanging around with Chief?! As leader of the Separatists he should be with his people and not a bunch of humans )

 

But I see no friendship......  


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Posted 21 December 2014 - 05:53 PM

Some words don't just have a definite One meaning definition. Friendship is a very broad term. Maybe trust, respect, and caring is as much friendship to those two as " Hey buddy, Xbox over my friend's house" is to us. Maybe you don't see it because your definition of a friendship is different.

 

I mean we talkin bout Aliens man. Not Humans. Not Humans. Aliens. We talkin bout aliens...


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 04:21 AM

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I have to admit, that was a very valid point, well done. :)
 

What I define as friendship is clearly different to what you define it as Ruff.

 

But still I would not call Arbiter and Chief what the some people in the Halo community call them.

 

"Bros 4 life" "Brothers till the end" < the worst offenders.

 

I see trust, I see respect, the even care, though I don't see friendship, as you rightly posted, friendship is a broad term, so I suppose some could see their hollow relationship as friendship.

 

 

 


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 07:56 AM

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I have to admit, that was a very valid point, well done. :)
 

What I define as friendship is clearly different to what you define it as Ruff.

 

But still I would not call Arbiter and Chief what the some people in the Halo community call them.

 

"Bros 4 life" "Brothers till the end" < the worst offenders.

 

I see trust, I see respect, the even care, though I don't see friendship, as you rightly posted, friendship is a broad term, so I suppose some could see their hollow relationship as friendship.

 

That is your point of view.Your opinion and nobody have rights to change that.You are the master of your brain.I stopped a while ago but you just continued arguing like that.Caboose please,please do not ask us to be YOU!Please stop trying to change what we believe!

Btw about this I've marked in your post,nobody here said that.I said NOBODY here ever said that.Keep on mind that there are so many 5-30 year old Halo fans.So everybody thinks differently and have different minds.Even a 5 year old kid who says that I've marked have rights to have his own belief.

I cannot force you to think how I want it to be,but be sure you can't either!

My opinion is and will be - Friendship.Not that kind of friendship you mentioned in your post,but friendship with respect,trust and care.That is what most people believe and it's their opinion,so is mine.That friendship just began,Halo 5 will just tell us more.Btw this topic should go to Offbeat Items because this debate doesn't have any good effect to be real and valuable conversation.You are smart person but you're acting like a child sometimes.Take care :)


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 09:04 AM

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U WOT M8? :) Sorry, I just have to point this out.

"That is your point of view.Your opinion and nobody have rights to change that.You are the master of your brain.I stopped a while ago but you just continued arguing like that.Caboose please,please do not ask us to be YOU!Please stop trying to change what we believe!"
 
Your right at the start, what I am posting is my point of view. But what I posted about Arbiter and Chief is my opinion, and what you posted about Arbiter and Chief is also your opinion. "Please stop trying to change what we believe!" < well that is a double edged sword, for one you have also posted your opinion, so the same could be said for you. And two, if we never posted our opinion what would be the point.

 

All this thread would be is "I hope Arbiter is playable" "I wonder what role he is going to be" You get the idea.....

 

Im sure I have made my points very clear on Arby and Chief now, so unless someone throws a spanner in the works then I see no point why to reply.

 

 

Bungie was never very good a doing "a story"

 

They were never very good at execution of their ideas.

They were never very good at making good characters that we can care about.

They were also never good at character development.

 

Three critical things that make a character good are above, sure they are brief but you get the point.

Bungie was never very good at making characters, so it is no wonder why I don't like Arbiter.

Because he is hollow and never does anything, he never developed as a character in Halo 3, and what passed for character dev in Halo 2 was terrible.  


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 09:37 AM

So that is what was all about,you don't like Arbiter I see.

I'm just curious why didn't you said that much earlier instead of complicating this discussion?


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 09:55 AM

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No, its not really that.... :)

 

Bungie just isn't very good at characters, me posting I didn't like Arbiter, was the wrong word to use. So I will correct that.

 

I don't like Bungie. I mean, look at Arbiter, what the hell did he do in Halo 3? Nothing he followed Chief around for no reason, sure he and Chief had that whole nod moment when Arbiter killed Truth but that was it.

 

Arbiter along with everyone else in the original Halo trilogy is a shallow and hollow character who is very one dimensional. He had no depth.

 

You could argue. "Oh but Halo 2 Arbiter had tons of character dev"

 

Wrong again, if that passes for character dev..... that is just.... im at a loss for words if that passes for character dev.

 

Here is Arbiters character dev in Halo 2.

 

 

Arbiter walks down a hill, he see several dead Elite councillors, who are all killed. He walks up to one who tells him the Brutes killed them.

 

That's it, that is all Arbiters character dev in Halo 2 that is his most significant moment in Halo 2 and Halo 3 combined.

 

See what I mean now?

 

 


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 02:07 PM

Now that were reaching Halo 2 territory I think it's time for me to talk again.

 

I don't think that was the extent of his development in Halo 2 Caboose. The whole game developed around him. The Covenant Schism was a big event. And I don't think he just wanted to kill Brutes at that moment. It was uneasy between the 2 races for a loooong time. The straw that broke the camels back was when the Prophets chose the Brutes over the Elites, and then big ol tartar sauce pushed him down a long whole.

 

 


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 03:35 PM

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Truth began his plans to get rid of the Brutes at the first battle of Harvest ( first contact with the Covies ) :)

 

Why? for many reasons, I will now share one of them.

 

All Covenant races excluding Brutes were starting to lose faith in the great journey by first contact, and as the war with the Humans continued, the Covanant lost even more faith.

 

But the Brutes though you would not know it by looking at them ( see how they handle 343 guilty spark ) They believed in the great journey, more than the Elites did by far.

 

 The Brutes had  faith in the great journey unlike the Elites who like most Covenant races, their belief in the great journey was starting to strain.

 

Even before the schism, Brutes hated Elites, Elites hated Brutes, Ships under command of Elites almost never had Brutes in the ship as most of the time it caused an argument about who was in command. Same for the Brute ships. And same for Brute and Elite fleets.

 

But the Elites and the Brutes would never kill one another, they hated each other but they would not kill one another. Elites still believed in the Prophets and the great journey, just less than the Brutes.

 

 

So that scene when Arbiter is told the Brutes killed the Elites is his only actual character development scene in Halo 2/Halo 3. But it really isn't even character dev, he does a complete 180 in about five seconds.

 

So yes, that was the extent of his "development" in the Halo trilogy.


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Posted 22 December 2014 - 04:36 PM

So that whole beginning cutscene with his dejected state and him becoming the Arbiter wasn't Development either?

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Posted 23 December 2014 - 04:51 AM

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No not really, at least not im my eyes. :)

 

That scene was....

 

"You have two choices, you get killed right now or become the Arbiter"

Arbiter still believing in the great journey somewhat choose the choice any believer would. Redemption.

 

An Elites life is based around honour and Arbiter lost his when he failed to prevent Chief form blowing up Installation 04A.

Becoming the Arbiter was the only way to get it back.

 

 


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