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What Halo 4 should and should NOT have.


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sorry, but have you guys seen how many people play our game? have you seen how many play CoD? yes cod does not inovate and yes there fans are stupid, but our fans are not. im sorry but our fans got up and left, 20-30 thousand left reach and moved to halo 3, and the others either left gaming, or worst hjust straight up switched games, i personally know alot of halo fans that were diehard,they all moved to the gears franchise, and no i have no problem with GoW but really? we all know that halo is better, so obviously if diehard halo fans are leaving, there is somthing wrong with halo. and im sorry again but there are very few who like AA's and if you do, your out numbered dude. so dont try to fight it, the voice of the community hates AA's and it has been proven, and here is a good fact to prove it, we have a max of 160K ppl daily right? did you know halo reach has sold over 10 Million copies? and that black ops has only sold 7 million since release? so how is it we have less players? because the ppl who bought reach LEFT for a reason. we only have to blame AA's for this, they did **** up on other minor things, and there are problems with the story canon for the campagin. I can say for myself and many other fans from the old halo days from begining till now and even those kids who started with halo 3, alot of us all say AA's would be stupid!!! jesus i mean no offense to others who disagree but its soooo simple, halo 4 without AA,s hundreds of thousands of fans come back,halo 4 with AA,s we stay at 160K a day, and probbly will lose that to, i imagine 100K would be our max with AA,s in halo 4. im sorry but this is true, and we would also loose MLG possibley, what if all this stuff with AA,s affects our baby the BR? you all know she could be coming back, do you really want to loose your 4 shot kill to some ***** ass armor lock kid? no i dont so no i dont want FREAKING AA's in halo 4, end of story no questions asked.

 

now with ALL that said there are other problems that could face halo 4 because of its predecessor Halo:Reach. the other big topic is the god dam melee system and fall damage system, first off the melee system is so broken its not even funny, if i get rushed by a 12 year old and his shields are almost down because i shot him 3 times but he was to close to get the last 2 shots off and i have to melee him and im 1 shot so one hit kills me, i excpect to be able to counter the melee rusher by killing him with my gun butt like all halo games, um yeah no NOT I REACH! haha yeah that sysytem is stupid please go BACK! and for fall damage, its not to big, but i mean come on, if halo were ment to be on the dot realistc, then it would not be that fun. so please take that out, its not going to affect anything really, and you can just say spartan 2s can take more of a fall than a spartan 3 can, problem solved!

 

next is the all mighty forge, im sorry some might like forge world but i do not. please wait before you wig on me for this, listen 1st. forge world is a great idea, but they did not pull it off the right way. think about it, foundary in halo 3 was small but could be maximized to the full map, which made AWSOME maps for all, even the beasts at MLG. but with forge world you get more space to "forge" but not enough stuff to maximize this space, you can make a amazingly forged map that is complex and fun, but it is still esentially the same size as foundary. so what was the point of the rest? that is my point. not to mention the same scenery over and over. its jsut old guys, it really is. i say if they were to have made three worlds, one human,one the way it is, and the other covy. and that would help the scenery problem, also give us a better budget, that would help alot for size. otherwise take it out completely please.

 

Another thing is the 1 person in theater lobbys, it needs increase, seriously put it to at least 2, i want to show my friends badass clips without having to upload it to my fileshare.

 

as for fileshare they need to fix it, dont put the reach fileshare in, just for the meer fact halo 3 fileshare was much more organized. i dont care if it looks identical to H3 or it looks cooler, but make it the 1-24 slots for puting things in, instead of the randomness of what you gave us in halo reach.

 

next would have to be the armor, i personolly strongly disagree with the armor they put in halo reach, then again they were spartan 3s and not spartan 2s, but still its not they pure fact of there armor not being shiny, i just feel a spartan would not look like a normal marine, spartans would have cool chest pieaces like in halo 3 with interesting designs instead of halo reach with grenades and other things you would think an ODST or marine would have. sorry personal opinion, thats not the biggest of issues though.

 

next is loadouts, not a huge problem, but they help with AA's and AA's are TERRABLE. Im sorry but they are not all that great, but its not to huge, i wouldnt mind them for certain gametypes, but for MLG,or normal team slayer its a no. nuff said.

 

next would have to be somthing VERY small, mainly because you would have to be an idiot to do what im about to say, dont put in custome characters for cutscenes or gamplay for the campagin. dont do it, its not right for the master cheif. but theres no worry since i dont think frank would do that to the master chief.

 

What I would add is dedicated servers, this is somthing that halo needs, look at GoW 2 and 3, those games never lag and theres no such thing as host connection and lag switching! DEDICATED SERVERS FOR HALO! lol we need to go around ranting that to 343i untill they say ok! haha

 

next I would want up to 32 players for customs(this would only happen with dedicated servers!) and have one MP gametype have 32 online, i want invasion to have it. when you think about it you will have one matchmaking gametype with multipule people and always have up to 32 for any type of custome game weather it be big team, objective, or infection! agree with me or not, i still hope to god it happens!(not to mention machinimas would be beast with 32 players in a game)

 

Make elites have customizing armor like spartans! that would be great, and also make them playable in all matchmaking gametypes! its easy to solve the problem of balance for invasion elites VS normal playing elites. all you have to do is make the settings for the elites stronger in invasion but the same as spartans for normal games like BTB or TS or MLG. problem solved and millions are happy! haha.

 

Here is something new from "Emo Kitten 32":"well i like the CR system but Cr should only buy armor and exp should rank you up" I personaly agree to a certain extent with Emo. this would be interesting, they could still use they same system for gaining Cr like in reach, but use the halo 3 system for ranks, so you do horrible and get 0 exp, but get 500 Cr,you do great in a game get 1exp and get 1000 Cr. this is just one idea, for me personaly i would have to say some armor gets bought but the good ones have to be earned by ranks or achevments. personal opinion!

 

Here is something new from "John-117":"You need to add dedicated servers, it will cause no lag and will help increase player cap for the game!" I agree take out the old servers and put in some dedicated ones for god sakes, thats somthing ALL halo games since halo 2 have gotten wrong. NEW SERVERS!!! NOW!

 

Here is something new from me: "What if Sprint and Evade were made as just buttons?"now let me explain, i know AA's are gay and ruined alot of the core things that made halo what it is. but those two AA's are not bad. lets say your playing big team in halo4 and lets say they use the halo 3 system so you can be elite or spartan, the spartan can sprint and thats his advantage for geting places quick, and the elite can escape death which is his advantage. so it still adds spice to the gameplay, but not so much spice to the game that it ruins the flavor!(haha love my food refrence?)

 

Here is something new from "master marix":"what do you think of loadouts? But each should have the same weapons and grenades not including covenant versions for elites but the point of the load out would be to either to choose sprint or evade. But possibly you can only chose one and the one you pick at the beging of the game is the one you stay with. But SPRINT or EVADE ONLY not the other AA junk like you have hated as well.Unless you think they could mix both togeather in one control. (Mabey holding the walking analog and then the sprint/evade button makes you sprint and quickly slashing the analog to the left, right, or back and hitting the spring/evade button also, will make you evade to the left or right or backwards but sprint can only be activated by puching forward and hitting Sprint/evade and then you can control the sprint in any direction facing forward.This would then take out the reason for loadouts." this i somewhat agree with and this is his exact words and its a bit confusing and complecated to read, but i do agree to a limit, i find loadouts are not nessesary to have though, making them buttons is fine, and the way i see it is they keep it the same button as AA's in reach but there not called AA's there called SPRINT and EVADE! haha

 

Here is something new from "rafter":"ADS,

dust (real dust, try playing blowing up a grenade in BC2. the dust risen prevents you from seeing anything)

Destroyable environment (like BC2)

bigger maps with space battles (id doesn't necessarily mean sabres fighting each other, rather one team picking up pelicans and landing in the hangar of the other team's ship)

and, of course, all vehicles on forge, plus forgable environment, changing the colors and shape of stuff and forgable firefight." I read this and I belive your head is in the right area but destruction to me is a no, think about it for a second....if we had that, halo is a game for nade placement power wepons and percision shots, that does not match up to large warfare, not to mention in halo the rocket launchers and nade spaming would wipe out the map within the first 5 minutes, then cover and skill go out the window its a straight up firefight! lol what i do like is forgeable firefight, thats great idea, and realisticness were dirt sprays in your face and covers your HUD for a second or two to blurr your vision, i like were your thinking. but I think that it would be horrable for it to turn a whole 180 into a large warfare game. just opinion.

 

Here is somthing new from "Halo 123 PSAT":"halo4 should have a love plot with the cheif" I belive that if they brought kelly they could swing that, but theres no other girl that the chief would fit with. haha. but it could be interesting to see this idea put in.

 

Here is somthing new from "Reptar":"Halo 4 shouldn't have any stolen ideas and should have its own fantastic original ideas." I agree with him 100% but i want to see old halo ideas, nothing else but halo ideas. other than that new interesting halo only ideas are GREAT!

 

Here is somthing new from "StickNature":"Halo 4 should be a remake of Halo 3, i could pay billions for that game... but seriously, they need to take out AA's, transformers custom outfits, the MOTHERF**KING Bloom and definitely put the Halo 3 rank, MY Little BR with the 4 shots, bunny jumping, fix the beatdowns (halo 3 beatdowns), Halo 3 medals (reach ones were ugly as hell). All this to make the game more competitive and different to the other games that just were made to making money.

Halo Reach is fun, but not the way a halo game should be, for me MLG is Halo and I need that competitive game back. I really miss when you jump with the sniper and connect a headshot and get some cool multikills... :c

Seriously now i'm playing Halo 3 till Halo 4 is finally released, and i'm hoping not to get back to halo 3 this time" I agree with alot he says and im just as disapointed in reach as he is for the same reasons, my opinion is to make the game like halo 3, then ADD new stuff to it like they did reach, im not blind to change, but im no advicate to idiotic change and reach was idiotic by far

 

right now i can not think of anything else, but feel free to add to my post, and i will edit it later on, i will copy and paste and put down who thought of the idea! let me know what your thoughts are on my stuff and like i said add what you think should and should NOT be in Halo 4.

 

Thank you for reading

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Dominator I seen all the text and thought, here we go again another rant ....... But

All makes sense, good points raised and I agree with you, although I personally don't find AA's that annoying apart from armor lock which needs a slight alteration to fix it.

But yes H4 needs to get back to its roots, customized Spartan not in H4, the Chief, is the Chief. It fitted Reach but please not in H4

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I agree, but I do want AAs in certain playlists and in costume games, it makes the game more interesting.

i cant agree, they are what killed our game, the shield is pointless,armor lock is stupid,jet pack on bungie playlists is unfair unless you play MLG,invisibility is now stupid because when you move it goes away AND there is that stupid armor jam so that gives you away. evade is fine and so is sprint. but i say they should be made as buttons for elites and spartans, depending on what you choose as your character is what your "ability" is.

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Dominator I seen all the text and thought, here we go again another rant ....... But

All makes sense, good points raised and I agree with you, although I personally don't find AA's that annoying apart from armor lock which needs a slight alteration to fix it.

But yes H4 needs to get back to its roots, customized Spartan not in H4, the Chief, is the Chief. It fitted Reach but please not in H4

haha, see im sensable! haha. i dont rant unless it is true, and it is. but AA's killed reach, so i have to be critical of them. i find them not to be annoying, i just hate them for ruining my favorite game, leave them in reach. they can NOT touch halo 4. its not right for the halo trilogy.

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Great sprint/ evade idea, I want them as default.

thank you kind sir! haha yeah it just makes sense, i know reach is not all bad, and there are great things. but come on, do you really see the MC pounding the ground and being invinsible. lol or him flying around with a jet pack? haha so i figured just keeping them two are beast but more would be dumb!

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thank you kind sir! haha yeah it just makes sense, i know reach is not all bad, and there are great things. but come on, do you really see the MC pounding the ground and being invinsible. lol or him flying around with a jet pack? haha so i figured just keeping them two are beast but more would be dumb!

Yea

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You are completly right on every single thing you said. I expecially like your new added add sprint and evade as just buttons for elites and spartans. I think that would be great! Also I think they should bring back power ups. Im curious, what do you think of loadouts? But each should have the same weapons and grenades not including covenant versions for elites but the point of the load out would be to either to choose sprint or evade. But possibly you can only chose one and the one you pick at the beging of the game is the one you stay with. But SPRINT or EVADE ONLY not the other AA junk like you have hated as well.Unless you think they could mix both togeather in one control. (Mabey holding the walking analog and then the sprint/evade button makes you sprint and quickly slashing the analog to the left, right, or back and hitting the spring/evade button also, will make you evade to the left or right or backwards but sprint can only be activated by puching forward and hitting Sprint/evade and then you can control the sprint in any direction facing forward.This would then take out the reason for loadouts.

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You are completly right on every single thing you said. I expecially like your new added add sprint and evade as just buttons for elites and spartans. I think that would be great! Also I think they should bring back power ups. Im curious, what do you think of loadouts? But each should have the same weapons and grenades not including covenant versions for elites but the point of the load out would be to either to choose sprint or evade. But possibly you can only chose one and the one you pick at the beging of the game is the one you stay with. But SPRINT or EVADE ONLY not the other AA junk like you have hated as well.Unless you think they could mix both togeather in one control. (Mabey holding the walking analog and then the sprint/evade button makes you sprint and quickly slashing the analog to the left, right, or back and hitting the spring/evade button also, will make you evade to the left or right or backwards but sprint can only be activated by puching forward and hitting Sprint/evade and then you can control the sprint in any direction facing forward.This would then take out the reason for loadouts.

look at the bottom of the post it has been updated you will like!

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Ok, read it and liked some ideas,

 

Can I ask you, dominator1007, what do you think about adding this to H4:

 

ADS,

dust (real dust, try playing blowing up a grenade in BC2. the dust risen prevents you from seeing anything)

Destroyable environment (like BC2)

bigger maps with space battles (id doesn't necessarily mean sabres fighting each other, rather one team picking up pelicans and landing in the hangar of the other team's ship)

and, of course, all vehicles on forge, plus forgable environment, changing the colors and shape of stuff and forgable firefight.

 

 

thank you in advance,

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I think they should make sprint and evade buttons but change them a little bit to fix some of the problems with having both at the same time.

 

I hate when people run away or use double beat down, so I thought that we could make sprint so you could use it when there was no enemies on your radar. But when you where alone you could sprint forever.

 

And evade so you could tap to short times and evade half of what you does in reach, or you could hold it for a short time and jump really far like in reach, but then you only could do it one time before recharge.

The recharge should obvious be longer if we changed it like this.

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I think Halo4 should have fans that appreciate the work 343i puts into the project and doesn't complain cause every piece of the game is how they want it.

no offense mate, but If you think we should not speak our opinion, our game will turn into cod, i know your fighting in the middle east so please relize I show the up most respect when i say, you dont know WTF your talking about! without us, halo will die, you want that to happen fine. I dont and neither do the rest of the fan base, we are all halo has left that is familier, its creators are gone but not its fans. it is counting on us to help the new developers to make halo as great as bungie did. sorry but its true and again no direspect to a USA soldier, its just we are talking about halo, and its needs. so i do appreciate the work 343i does, but they need gudiance from the people who are buying this game, since halo reach got messed up and now only has 160K max a day of players. sorry but bungie said themselves, there last update told ALL of us to take care of halo, make sure 343i knows what we want because it is our franchise now, along with 343i's franchise. so your wrong(and no offense I have been playing halo since I was six and I take offense to someone telling me I complain about halo, when I am one of the biggest fans of halo and im willing to bet a bigger fan than you, so please do not start saying things on the internet when its wrong) and once again I do thank you for serving our country.

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no offense mate, but If you think we should not speak our opinion, our game will turn into cod, i know your fighting in the middle east so please relize I show the up most respect when i say, you dont know WTF your talking about! without us, halo will die, you want that to happen fine. I dont and neither do the rest of the fan base, we are all halo has left that is familier, its creators are gone but not its fans. it is counting on us to help the new developers to make halo as great as bungie did. sorry but its true and again no direspect to a USA soldier, its just we are talking about halo, and its needs. so i do appreciate the work 343i does, but they need gudiance from the people who are buying this game, since halo reach got messed up and now only has 160K max a day of players. sorry but bungie said themselves, there last update told ALL of us to take care of halo, make sure 343i knows what we want because it is our franchise now, along with 343i's franchise. so your wrong(and no offense I have been playing halo since I was six and I take offense to someone telling me I complain about halo, when I am one of the biggest fans of halo and im willing to bet a bigger fan than you, so please do not start saying things on the internet when its wrong) and once again I do thank you for serving our country.

 

 

The point is, they cant please everyone. People need to not be so narrow minded and make ridicules demands to a game developer. None of the Halo games are perfect. Everyone of the Halo Games is different. Its the way it is. Stop complaining about everything, 343i has to make games that appeal to more than just a hand full of people. If they only serve the few, Halo will die and be gone. I am not saying that this is one of "those" threads, but there are a lot of them on this forum. Halo needs fans that do not destroy and trash talk everything that isn't exactly how they want it. Everyone is different, everyone doesn't like the same thing. 343i knows that they have to please us (the old timers) and the players that really love reach. That's going to be a tough task, some of the people around here need to be a little more constructive and not just bash everything they don't like. They cannot just turn their back on us or the reach fans....if they do, 343i will fail. Because sales will be so low, there will be no money to develop new games. The childish garbage has to stop. Oh, and dont think that saying you do not intend to disrespect me makes that comment you made ok, no disrespect to you, but um...I have a lot of experience at life and Halo, and I can see where Halo is going and I don't like it, and its due to the community.

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The point is, they cant please everyone. People need to not be so narrow minded and make ridicules demands to a game developer. None of the Halo games are perfect. Everyone of the Halo Games is different. Its the way it is. Stop complaining about everything, 343i has to make games that appeal to more than just a hand full of people. If they only serve the few, Halo will die and be gone. I am not saying that this is one of "those" threads, but there are a lot of them on this forum. Halo needs fans that do not destroy and trash talk everything that isn't exactly how they want it. Everyone is different, everyone doesn't like the same thing. 343i knows that they have to please us (the old timers) and the players that really love reach. That's going to be a tough task, some of the people around here need to be a little more constructive and not just bash everything they don't like. They cannot just turn their back on us or the reach fans....if they do, 343i will fail. Because sales will be so low, there will be no money to develop new games. The childish garbage has to stop. Oh, and dont think that saying you do not intend to disrespect me makes that comment you made ok, no disrespect to you, but um...I have a lot of experience at life and Halo, and I can see where Halo is going and I don't like it, and its due to the community.

And again, I dont disrespect you for the fact of what you do for a living, and the fact your a halo fan. but i personaly dont care if you think the comment was ok or not, because the thing is, you say a "handfull" does not like what i said take out, when its the opposite, its about 100K players (hand full) who like reach for its ideas, and the other 60K deal with it(people like me) and 30K got up and went back to halo 3(people who wont deal with it) and then there are the other 2.3 million other players who played the Reach beta and said this "wow this game sucks". now givin this those people all bought the game because like i said there has been over 10 million sales in less than a year, but let me ask you this, if theres that many sales, why is there only a max of 160K people playing? obviously the majority of the halo community has got up and left, they have been obliterated by what bungie did in halo reach and they moved on to other games like GoW or CoD or BF or Crysis 2. so that "handfull" is MUCH larger than a "handfull" its probly at least 85% of our community, and i dont think 343i cares about the 15% of the 9-14 year old kids who like reach versus the 85% of us people who range from 15-30. we are the real fans, the old fans. we are the vets who have been with halo since its birth. CoD can be the lil kids game, and if the lil kids want to take a swing at our game go ahead, but we the vets get to speak for the community not a bunch of 12 year old kids screaming that armor lock should have a longer duration, and that having shields is stupid, and that halo should have stronger wepons for the weaker players(noob tubes and other over powered stuff). sorry but I say fans like me and you need to be the voice of the community, not the thousands of children coming into the halo franchise. everyone has a right to there own opinion. and i respect yours, but im following what bungie told me to do, bungies last true meaningfull words to us the fans were" halo is yours now, its in your hands. halo is no longer ours to care for, it is now your franchise. it is our last gift to you from us, and we know you will do right by it!" that was one of there last weekly updates. and I plan to speak my opinion to help 343i and I want other fans to help me. your welcome to not and welcome to do. there is nobody trying to force you sir. thank you for reading this comment(i know its long XD) have a nice day

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And again, I dont disrespect you for the fact of what you do for a living, and the fact your a halo fan. but i personaly dont care if you think the comment was ok or not, because the thing is, you say a "handfull" does not like what i said take out, when its the opposite, its about 100K players (hand full) who like reach for its ideas, and the other 60K deal with it(people like me) and 30K got up and went back to halo 3(people who wont deal with it) and then there are the other 2.3 million other players who played the Reach beta and said this "wow this game sucks". now givin this those people all bought the game because like i said there has been over 10 million sales in less than a year, but let me ask you this, if theres that many sales, why is there only a max of 160K people playing? obviously the majority of the halo community has got up and left, they have been obliterated by what bungie did in halo reach and they moved on to other games like GoW or CoD or BF or Crysis 2. so that "handfull" is MUCH larger than a "handfull" its probly at least 85% of our community, and i dont think 343i cares about the 15% of the 9-14 year old kids who like reach versus the 85% of us people who range from 15-30. we are the real fans, the old fans. we are the vets who have been with halo since its birth. CoD can be the lil kids game, and if the lil kids want to take a swing at our game go ahead, but we the vets get to speak for the community not a bunch of 12 year old kids screaming that armor lock should have a longer duration, and that having shields is stupid, and that halo should have stronger wepons for the weaker players(noob tubes and other over powered stuff). sorry but I say fans like me and you need to be the voice of the community, not the thousands of children coming into the halo franchise. everyone has a right to there own opinion. and i respect yours, but im following what bungie told me to do, bungies last true meaningfull words to us the fans were" halo is yours now, its in your hands. halo is no longer ours to care for, it is now your franchise. it is our last gift to you from us, and we know you will do right by it!" that was one of there last weekly updates. and I plan to speak my opinion to help 343i and I want other fans to help me. your welcome to not and welcome to do. there is nobody trying to force you sir. thank you for reading this comment(i know its long XD) have a nice day

 

This is what i am talking about....dont you think you are taking it alittle to seriously? Be constructive, thats all i was sayin. and I didnt say you were not. but us guys on these forums are the minority, 100K....to the millions of copies reach sold..yes, a hand full. People play for a while and move on, some of us stay and play cause we love Halo. The fact is, the other few million that got the game and then moved on is what makes a developer money. They will always go for a profit before doing much for us. They will do their best to keep us happy, but they are making something for far more people than you think. Sorry for picking on your well written post. I was just sick of reading post after post of mindless garbage doing nothing but bashing everything Bungie and 343i does, before they even play the game. I wasnt speaking out against anyone having a good idea, but the constant crying about things they can do nothing about.

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